Bear Stearns
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Posted By: Bobbytank Posted on: Mar. 17, 2008 at 10:32 AM |
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Does everyone remember: how great they thought it was when the internet created the "information age"... how nobody needed brokers anymore because they could trade on their own for fractions of what their broker used to charge... how stocks began trading with spreads of pennies instead of..1/16's..1/8's..and 1/4's...how great all the day traders felt after making more in one month than they made in the prior 10 years...how all that extra volume made our markets appear to be more liquid...how later companies took themselves public via the internet instead of hiring investment bankers?
Well if you do remember how great all that was do you also remember... how the bubble burst on the .com rage...how Greenspan tried to warn us of our "irrational exuberance" in reference to buying stock on margin and how the market crashed right before tax time...how all the day traders lost everything they owned including retirement funds and life savings...how somehow nobody thought it was a bad idea to allow amateurs to compete in a highly skilled professional industry until after they all got destroyed...how the government still managed to blame the broker dealers for allowing it all to happen?
When the "information age" took hold it never occurred to anyone that maybe the general population wasn't qualified to manage their own accounts or that maybe they should have been subjected to the same restrictions that professionals were. Anyone with $5,000.00 and a social security number could open a margin account and start a brand new career. It compares to handing the keys to your brand new car to your 13 month old son as a reward for learning to walk. Naturally the large investment banks had to either find other revenue streams or they had to bolster the ones they had. After all, there were a lot more shareholders out there trading their stock now and they didn't want to let them down.
"Real Estate!!! That's where the "big bucks" are, lets try that. We have billions of dollars, what could possible go wrong." Well, investment banking firms are risk takers by nature, so they obviously weren't going to be satisfied with the puny returns that traditional lending provided so they focused on the "big buck". That's right the "sub-prime mortgage market", and all the dirty dealings that goes with it. Now anyone with a social security number and the willingness to claim they were employed, thought they could all of a sudden afford $200,000-400,000 homes. They were probably the same group that thought they could day trade. Bottom line.. they couldn't, so lets wack the mortgage companies for coming up with all these exotic ways to lend money. Oops forgot what that was going to do the housing market. We'll use the fed rate to fix that problem.
The government uses the fed rate like it's some type of magic wand. They wave it over every little hiccup that pops up, expecting miraculous results. Instead all it does is send the ripple effect down stream to another sector of the market place. Somebody really needs to take that wand away, if not it should come with instructions. They expect a charming prince and the wand spits out a nasty old toad, (no offense Bob). Market manipulation doesn't do anyone any good but yet they keep on waving the wand. The latest wand casualty...BEAR STEARNS, and believe me they will not be the last. But hey it's easier to blame a few companies than the millions of people that benefited from their own "irrational exuberance".
There must be a lot of dead toads somewhere.
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 02:12:29 PM
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| A question for all of you Should the Bear Stearns ceo, managers and brokers go to jail for conspiracy knowing that their company stock was about to go in the toilet and not telling their clients? |
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 02:13:09 PM
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| An economist on CNN this morning shared his opinion about the Federal Reserve coming to rescue of the Financial Market. One thing for sure is that the greedy pigs are worried and who pays for it in the end, us, the consumer. This move brings down the value of the dollar and were getting screwed again. If that wasn't enough; this morning on my way in to work, as I sat at a light, there it was a guy changing the price of gas. Here's interesting reading from CNN Money: Rich Yamarone, director of economic research at Argus Research and a critic of the Fed's rate cuts, argues the Fed is feeding current market fears with emergency moves like Sunday night's decision to make loans directly to Wall Street firms instead of just banks. "Anytime you act on a Sunday night during '60 Minutes,' if you don't think that will engender fear, I don't know what does," said Yamarone. He added that the Fed should not be trying to prevent failures by Wall Street firms. Still, Yamarone and other Fed critics argue that another round of rate cuts will do little but drive the value of the dollar lower versus the euro and the yen, which in turn will further drive up the prices of commodities such as oil and gold. "Not one company is saying monetary policy is restrictive or that the current interest rate levels are impeding them from investing," said Yamarone. "A (full percentage point) cut would send the dollar into a potential collapse. We're in a free fall now, wait till you see what a collapse looks like." But many others think the Fed has no choice but to keep slashing rates. "It helps, even if it doesn't solve the problem," said Wyss. "You need to keep the cost of borrowing down. It's not the optimal solution, but it's better than nothing." |
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 03:13:00 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by know it All on Mar. 17, 2008 at 02:12:29 PM]
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 02:12:29 PM A question for all of you Should the Bear Stearns ceo, managers and brokers go to jail for conspiracy knowing that their company stock was about to go in the toilet and not telling their... View this Comment Why would they throw someone in jail for working there. Just because you work for a company doesn't say that you know what they are doing on the inside. |
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| KnowNothing, you think the s*** will hit the fan in 6 mos? No, buddy, the s*** is hitting the fan, real time. And yes, the managers of Bear Stearns, who knew the condition of their own firm, and were recommending it to clients are civilly liable. Unfortunately, Emperor s***forbrains got John Roberts on the SCOTUS, as the chief Justice. He'll overturn any rewards, and stop any prosecutions. See, because Republotards who oppose regulations see these rules as anti free market. Oh well, John McCain agrees on this point 100%, I'm sure though he'll appoint better judges... |
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 08:28:21 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by degaselli on Mar. 17, 2008 at 07:50:25 PM]
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 07:50:25 PM the govt. never goes after the big boys, they just give them more money to keep the big float going.remember the silverado bail out?Bush's brother got caught up in it and it cost billions to fix. no problem print some more... View this Comment yep, so let us be clear. The Republicans are not pro free market, they are communists. |
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 09:20:56 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by Phaedrus on Mar. 17, 2008 at 08:28:21 PM]
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 08:28:21 PM yep, so let us be clear. The Republicans are not pro free market, they are... View this Comment A lot of people think communism was a good system. How do you feel about it? |
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 09:23:05 PM
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Mar. 17, 2008 at 06:03:41 PM KnowNothing, you think the s*** will hit the fan in 6 mos? No, buddy, the s*** is hitting the fan, real time. And yes, the managers of Bear Stearns, who knew the condition of their own firm, and were recommending it to clients are civilly liable.... View this Comment Call me what you want Phaedrus doesn't matter. If you think this is it you are 100% wrong. When all of this catches up to us and them this country will not be able to afford a presidential election or to pay a cable bill. Put on your high boots and get ready for the s*** to rise because the turds are starting to melt. |
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I said on this site before the Fed is all about the rich and wealthy. Stearns is only the first of the giants to fall. It is incredible that their brokers were recommending Bear Stearns stock to their client last week with no disclosure of the companies coming downfall. Think about this Friday closing share price was $30.85 and on Sunday there was $2-a-share fire sale to JP Morgan Chase & Co. when the markets were closed, so there was no chance for escape for the rest of their shareholders.
This came out this morning "One reaction is shock that a company that reaffirmed its book value at around $84 on Wednesday can be worth $2 per share four days later on Sunday," said Deutsche Bank analyst Mike Mayo.
Again this shows that our Government/Justice department could care less about us. If any company that isn’t a part of this small CLICK pulled this there would be indictments being filed against them Now.
There are people on this site that will say this had to be done but these same people probably never had to deal with the government first hand to see how one sided they are.
The Fed also essentially made the takeover risk-free by saying it would guarantee up to $30 billion of the troubled mortgage and other assets that got the nation's fifth-largest investment bank into trouble.
If you people like to keep spending you’re hard earned money to keep the wealthy, wealthy. Keep sticking up for the FED and they will keep printing $$$. It is only a matter of time till it all crumbles they are only prolonging the inevitable.
This country throws billions around like its nothing while we count are nickels and dimes to buy gas. I give us about 6 months then the crap will hit the fan.
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