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Liberal or Conservative? by June
Consevative vs. Liberals and Other Truths by Average American
Reply To Average American by fasteddie
RE: Point 1.
Snippet: “What about Gonzales' definition of acceptable interrogation techniques? On that one, do you support the troops by advocating that our enemies should be enabled to employ interrogation techniques that stop just short of organ failure?” fasteddie
The following letter was sent to The Arizona Republican, several publications nationwide, and Senator Joh McCain when Bush threatened to veto the Defense Appropriations bill over the senator's amendment prohibiting torture. This would have been Bush's first veto in five years of Oval Office occupation. Tell me that this fellow occupying the President's chair does not condone torture when he goes to such an extreme.
And his puppet master, Vice President Dick Chainy, lobbied the House of Representatives long and hard to quash the amendment. Dick must have his secret dark places.
AA, our fellow American, please open your eyes and look into the abyss that these Facists are pushing us toward. I know you don't want that for American.
Letter to the Editor:
Open Letter to the Honorable Senator John McCain (R-AZ):
Re: "If torture is U.S. policy, nation has lost its soul"(Bob Herbert, Opinions, 3/5/05):
Dear Senator,
Have you heard about America’s program of "extraordinary rendition"?
Bob Herbert asks the question all of us should be asking: “… is anything and everything O.K. in post-9/11 America? If torture and the denial of due process are O.K., why not murder? When the government can just make people vanish - which it can, and which it does - where is the line that we, as a nation, dare not cross?”
Our leadership pontificates about “Christian faith” and “family values” while secretly employing the evil un-American and un-Christian Gestapo tactics of torture.
It bothers me greatly that many Americans think a little torture is OK for the “greater good”. Some argue academically about torture’s definition. I’ll wager they would broaden those definitions considerably should torture become reality for them.
Your heroic resistance to the obscenity of torture in North Vietnam’s POW camps, an ordeal most of us cannot begin to imagine or probably endure, unequivocally earns you the moral high-ground in defense of our American Values.
We need you again, this time against domestic enemies.
"Fact 1: The President has made it clear that no authorization of torture has ever been given by any member of his administration, this means from the Executive Oval Office to the Pentagon to the ground troops on the ground."
Simply lies, literally labeled as fact, in an article crammed with them. Political reality to the uninformed tends to be defined either by presidential rhetoric or by their idealized expectations of presidential behavior.
Elsewhere, Average American has argued that we should show no mercy to suspected terrorists (actually, he said all Muslims - "the animals") who decapitate and maim. He contends, on the basis of the 2004 election outcome, that he represents the majority of "average Americans" and I cringe when I consider that he probably does represent some segment of society.
In yet another outburst, AA challenged anyone to cite just one case of American torture. He was presented with just one case and he went silent on the subject until he resurfaced with Fact 1.
Obviously, the man resides on a retro-learning curve in an information vacuum and I consider it my contribution to Post-Modern Manifest Destiny to expose his dogmatic refusal to relate his visceral reactions to reality.
I agree with your position, AZ, and applaud your attempts to publicize your opinion.
I'll paraphrase McCain: if we torture our enemies, we're no better than our enemies -- and Americans ARE better than that!
I sincerely believe McCain. I wish I could believe Average American's Fact 1.
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