CLB

There was a story being reported all over the MidEast about a teen girl who worked in a Saudi household as a maid.  She was givie the task of feeding a baby, and while the child was being fed by this young lady, the child choked and died.  Although there was no indication that the young lady had anything to do with the child's death, other than it being in her arms when it passed away, the young foriegn lady was imprisioned and sentenced to beheading.  Not a damned thing in the American press.  Wonder why?

I didn't get to read your article, because the link didn't work.  I find it strange that the west, in order to vilify certian people will ignore the innocence of others being put to the same treatment.  Why, for example, after mounting evidence that most of the "insurgents" from outside Iraq are Saudi, would the media try to portray Iran as killing American troops.  Why, as another example do we not understand that while 190K weapons of all kinds were "mismanaged" by American warmongers (the war industry) would we claim...never mind that supposely ment to be used by Iraqis to kill Americans look soooo much like American ones, and have the instructions printed in English (not Farsi, not Arabic, but English) are distributed, with the Iranian government's blessing to kill Americans.  Yet AK 47's, you know, Chinese weapons, or that dreaded Mk7 weapon, a hand held rocket, a Russian weapon so common in Iraq is not getting them into trouble.  Just Iran is getting the press.  Just one more thing.  After all the talk about "democracy" in the MidEast...how many of the ARAB governments "friendly" to the US are "democratic"?  How many of them to we give funding to?  How many of them treat their citizenship with justice and dignity?  I see.  Sounds a bit like propaganda to me. 

I remember when Iran was "cracking down" on non Islamic dress for women how the US press played it up.  There was a big spread in the Arizona Republic, a whole page, meanwhile in Afganistan, a woman was stoned for cheating on her old man for 7 years.  In the American press, not a damned word.  I guess making sure a headscarf is covering the hair is much more important than a woman being stoned to death.  Well...to a propagandist it is. 

Don't you see the hypocracy here?  We put people to death all the time. So many people have been exhanorated from the death house because unbiased, uncorruptible science has saved thier butts.  I am almost sure that at least one of the people executed over the years were falsely convicted, was denied justice because of who they are or how they look, set up by law enforcement, forced under duress to confess, or mistakenly identified by a witness.  Now does it make it more right, or humane to hang someone from a crane in a busy street than it is to kill then by injecting them with poison?  I think not.

This isn't about God sister, this is about justice.  The only reason you are hearing about what they do in Iran is because of the concerted effot to lay the groundwork for war with them.  The same pattern Nazi's used to justify killing innocent Jewish people in Eastern Europe.

Never mind the blinders.

Zanubiyah...enough with attacking Bu$h administration for their propagandistic beliefs.  It is getting pretty damned old.  Bu$hCo is free to express themselves, even in a propaganda context here because it is not what they say and put on the media that we cherish in this nation, it is the right to say what they want.  I may not agree with them, (on this subject, I don't know since they are introducing some new evidence to the arguement)  but I will stand by them in order to protect their right to say it and get the Main Stream Media to publish it.

CLB

You make claims that this thing I belive in is "mythological creature", can you prove to me that "it" doesn't exist?  Can you prove "it" is only a myth?  Now, my sister, remember that I am not making a claim that I can prove to you that there is God.  It is not on me to prove something I am not tring to convince you exists.  In fact sister, I can't to be real honest.

Sister...it is not religion that corrupts, or a belief in a diety that makes us evil.  The problem with religion is that PEOPLE follow it.  People use it for political gain, to dominate each other, to dehumanise and justify genocide...and unfortunatly the list goes on.  I agree with you all the way that religion is the cause of so much blood, all of them, including my own faith I love and cherish so dearly. I admit it readily, and have won half of my personal jihad to get along with you, I suspect by your writing you are a non beliver.

If it were not religion, it would be something else...perhaps materialism, imperialism, nationalism, patriotism.  Perhaps my genes are less pure than yours...my eyes are not blue, my hair kinky and black instead of blond, my skin dark.  Perhaps you need to make me in YOUR image...somehow your way of life is better than mine, and for the sake of my self, you force your way of life upon me with a gun.  You kidnap my children because I am a savage, and deny them my culture, and in place, you put yours.  Still, because you can't change their eyes, or lips, or hair texture, they become outcasts in both worlds.  All for the sake of your beliefs, you have destoryed this person because he has no where to turn, no place to belong.  No need for religion, even if you viel it in a holy context, your intent was evil. 

Thing is sister, if a group of people has the notion in masse to find himself superior over another, there is no need for God, or religion to make him more "righteous and pious" than another.  We can find all kinds of reasons under the sun, including demeaning another for his belief in a "mythological creature." 

Athiesm is also a belief too...even though you say you don't believe in a "god", you are at odds with people that belive something you say don't.  If you give your non belief a "life", then you belive it.

The negative proof fallacy often occurs in the debate of the existence of supernatural phenomena, in the following form:

• "A supernatural force must exist, because there is no proof that it does not exist".