RE: The controversial comments of "Randi Rhodes Crucifies Clinton for the Republican Party"
Humor is going out of style in this country. Many of us have gotten past the boring Johnny Carson humor and moved to more in your face offensive comedy. Many of us have a sense of humor as well, and that's why we can deal with someone like Don Imus making a joke. But recently the Messiah, Barack Obama, was attacked with a racial slur in another post on this forum and that has led us to again ask the question, what is acceptable humor?
What is the line that no man should cross when it comes to sex, gender, race, retardation, or physical disability? Obviously, many people here agree that legislation isn't the answer because we remember the Republican Congress' efforts to legislate its own idea of morality by rushing to save Terri Shiavo from her husband or proposing constitutional amendments to both condemn and prohibit abortion and gay marriage on a federal level.
What is the answer? To declare war on controversial humor? We will first need to define what is controversial and that is a matter of debate because everyone's idea of taste is subjective. But if we declare war on controversial humor, should we also start refraining from using negative puns and insults, especially the vicious words that have been attached to Bush and his followers, the tards?
Declaring war on controversial humor might not be the answer because, like the war on drugs and the war on terra', we have learned that the only way to defeat a faceless enemy is to kill the source. The source is the human mind and that in turn is molded or in some way affected by the surrounding environment and any number of events. From my perspective, drug abuse is a social behavior disorder. Terrorism on the other hand is a matter of indoctrination.
We can look at the war on terra' and trace Muslim fundamentalist hatred for our country back to the Crusades if we isolated the struggle as being between Islam and Christianity. We can trace it back to the end of WW1 when the Western Powers carved up the Middle East and unsettled the factions within the Ottoman Empire. We can even trace it back to our country's, or our CIA's, meddlesome tactics implemented against Middle Eastern governments during the last century.
The point is that our beliefs including our prejudices are encoded by our environment, who raised us, and our firsthand everyday experiences. Everyone is prejudiced to an extent and to end prejudice is to end civilization as we know it.
Hopefully the radical left doesn't get its hands on the technology to decipher what all of us really think deep down inside, even those of us who are better than others at keeping it bottled in. While you're thinking about that, imagine how many good jokes or observations fail to make the translation from idea to actual speech due to an overly censored and politically correct environment.
Are we adults or are we children? One thing's clear, we're all still primates with easily destabilized emotions. We feel what we feel, we think what we think, and all of the political correctness and condemnation in the universe will never change that. But thanks to the Internet, people can now start saying what they really think without P.C. leftists or moral rightists apprehending them and making them apologize for their views. It's looking like a new world for truth and honesty to reveal themselves.... for now.
So understanding that we all have different ideas of what is acceptable speech and what is good humor, where do we draw the line and how do we draw it?
Where Do We Draw the Line?
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Posted By: Bob Toad Posted on: Mar. 11, 2008 at 10:36 AM |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 12:05:15 PM
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| Excellent article Bob. Well-stated and provocative. Worthy of a talk show topic, I'd say! Sadly though I have many things to do right now but I'll get back to you on this one...but first I have to say that to answer your poll question I'd ask: define the standard for "controversial". |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 01:57:34 PM
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| I agree 100% with Briceland, and well said. Overt bashing of money-grubbing Jews and plays on the word jigaboo are not the same as BetrayUs or Republitard. If you say something here that you wouldn't say to someone's face, then you have stepped over that line. It's not funny no matter how much your try to pass it off as cutting-edge humor. Well, maybe it is funny, but the joke is on you. What's stepping other the line? I happen to think that accusing someone of getting fisted by their gay buddy in the backseat of a car is stepping over the line. If I recall, it got someone banned here not too long ago for endlessly running off his mouth -- and rightfully so. Now we have an article on the marquee lamenting how the rich greedy Hollywood Jews suck in comedies. This is so low it's beyond belief, and Voice of Arizona should not tolerate this as "free speech," let alone attempt to justify it. |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 05:01:59 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by R. D. Briceland on Mar. 11, 2008 at 12:05:00 PM]
R. D. Briceland
Mar. 11, 2008 at 12:05:00 PM I thought there would be a higher degree of self-censorship on this site but anonymous people seem pretty fine with publishing their racist, sexist, homophobic thoughts. By not placing consequences, barriers or restrictions on these thoughts - some... View this Comment Well said Briceland!!! Over the last two years that I have contributed to this site, I have seen some vile racist remarks made. At every turn I have called the poster out on the comments. Sadly, I am ridiculed as "hypersensitive" "lacking in a sense of humor" or worse. I will not stop. As MiC alluded to, if you wouldn't say it to a person's face, best not post it here. For example, despite AA's macho persona, I sincerely doubt he would walk up to a Black person and call them a jig-a-boo or nigger or whatever other pejorative he could come up with based on the color of their skin. A personal experience at a young age taught the power of words. As a young teenager, I was involved in a summer rec basketball league. I lived in the most lily white neighborhood that you could imagine. So one day we went to the minority west side of town to play the team from that rec league. One of my teammates called a black player on that team a "jig-a-boo." I saw the hurt and then anger in that player's eyes. Then all hell broke loose! I didn't even know what jig-a-boo meant! But I learned in that flash of a moment and in that girls eyes that some words can hurt and hurt badly and the result is never productive. It is a lesson that I carry with me to this day. |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 06:55:21 PM
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| Well I might be bashed for this but what the hell... Self Censorship is the only censorship we should ever employ. Indie's charge that, "...despite AA's macho persona, I sincerely doubt he would walk up to a Black person and call them a jig-a-boo or nigger or whatever other pejorative he could come up with based on the color of their skin. " Indie you would be right to a point. I would not walk up to a random person and say that based on the color of their skin, it would just be rude. However, let me catch a man raping a woman, tagging a wall, stealing from another or any number of other offenses and I would have little problem labeling that person based on their actions, and yes nigger might be one of the labels I give them. One of the biggest problems with America these days is that you are all so damn worried about offending someone else's sensibilities. Where in the Constitution does it say we will free of hurt feelings? Where does it say that we must get along all the time? Where does it say that a joke must be free of any offensiveness? And where does it say that you can't crack a joke at someone's expense? You people often say that might right ends at your right. Well, I would suggest that in many arenas my right and your right are going to be at odds with each other. You have every right to not say anything offensive ever, and I have a right to say anything I want as well. So long as what is said or not said does not endanger anyone it is fine by me. Many times it is with the harshest of words that wall start to come down. Look at any basketball court in America where groups of black men, primarily young black men play ball. You hear the word "nigger" all over the place. It has lost it's sting amongst people of the same race. Why is we are all equal should a white guy not be able to say it too in those same circumstances. Well that has been happening for a long time already. When I lived in Stockton Ca. I used to play with these guys a few times a week. After a while they started calling my cracker and light bulb. One night I tested the lien by calling one of them nigger while we were playing. Now obviously I was not attacking him any more than they were attacking me as we were all friends by now. After a a brief moment of silence, they all started laughing. It was great, we had broken through the last wall that divided us by being able to joke in the most offensive ways with each other. The word suddenly meant nothing, not because it had changed, but because we had changed. We were truly inclusive. Jokes have always been based in making someone look stupid. It is what makes them funny. It is the person who tells it and what is in their heart when they tell it that makes them look funny or bad. I asked a black friend of mine once to tell me a white joke. He said they had a few, but all the ones he knew ended in the white guy getting a job and going to work. It was funny. I believe that many people, like Indie and others here get to uptight about words. They have no power except the power you allow them to have over you. Grow up, consider the source if you are offended and then let it go, they are words. People only use them if they get the rise out of you doing so. That's power they don't take from you, but instead it is power you give them. Now who wants to hear a funny joke about a Jewish cowboy...I got one. |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 07:28:21 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by Average American on Mar. 11, 2008 at 06:55:21 PM]
Average American
Mar. 11, 2008 at 06:55:21 PM Well I might be bashed for this but what the hell... Self Censorship is the only censorship we should ever employ. Indie's charge that, "...despite AA's macho persona, I sincerely doubt he would walk up to a Black person and call them a... View this Comment A nice little lecture from the guy that whines about being tagged with the BAA label. Why would you call a guy a nigger if he was raping or tagging etc? Why not call him a rapist or a criminal or a low down bastard? Why Nigger? You don't suppose it is (in your mind) that is the worse word someone can be called? The problem is that words still matter. Chink (which you just found HILARIOUS on a Tom Carter article) is offensive to the Chinese or Japanese. Pejoratives that people used to describe Blacks was a way to demean an entire race of people and keep them "in their place." These wounds run deep and the continued use of the words does nothing to advance the cause of inclusion. Why not use terms to describe people by their actions? Criminals are criminals, not niggers. Rapists are rapists, not jig-a-boos. |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 07:57:19 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by indie616 on Mar. 11, 2008 at 07:28:21 PM]
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 07:28:21 PM A nice little lecture from the guy that whines about being tagged with the BAA label. Why would you call a guy a nigger if he was raping or tagging etc? Why not call him a rapist or a criminal or a low down bastard? Why Nigger? You... View this Comment It was you Indie who taught me the lesson of ignoring the BAA name. I just don't let it bother me anymore because it make June look small, not me. And I hate to say it Indie, but using a stereotypical name for a race is because sometimes stereotypes are true. |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 08:03:30 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by Average American on Mar. 11, 2008 at 07:57:19 PM]
Average American
Mar. 11, 2008 at 07:57:19 PM It was you Indie who taught me the lesson of ignoring the BAA name. I just don't let it bother me anymore because it make June look small, not me. And I hate to say it Indie, but using a stereotypical name for a race is because sometimes stereotypes... View this Comment Well AA, I appreciate that. But look how long it took you! And you weren't denied a job, or a seat on the front of a bus, or a seat at lunch counter because June and Adam used BAA. See the difference yet? |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 08:48:52 PM
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| I AM DISTURBED BY THE FREEDOM YOU PEOPLE WOULD GIVE UP JUST TO NOT BE OFFENDED. LOOK AT THE POLL. DISGUSTING. YOU BITCH BECAUSE I AM OK WITH A PHONE CALL BEING OVERHEARD... WHICH HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN PROVEN. MY GOD PEOPLE, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!! |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 08:52:03 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by Average American on Mar. 11, 2008 at 08:48:52 PM]
Average American
Mar. 11, 2008 at 08:48:52 PM I AM DISTURBED BY THE FREEDOM YOU PEOPLE WOULD GIVE UP JUST TO NOT BE OFFENDED. LOOK AT THE POLL. DISGUSTING. YOU BITCH BECAUSE I AM OK WITH A PHONE CALL BEING OVERHEARD... WHICH HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN PROVEN. MY GOD PEOPLE, WHAT IS WRONG WITH... View this Comment Your Caps lock is on. |
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