Sorry, but I am coming down on the side of TC and others, if you cant beat them at their own game in here, you dont have a chance out there.

The power of language, the framing of debate, the fact that propaganda works and works well, again and again, means that if we cannot reframe, expose and exploit the weakness of what they are selling, we are buying into it.

It cannot be ignored, it must have the flesh peeled away and the malignancy underneath exposed to the healing light.

Thanks Tom, for being the devils advocate in debate.

MiC writes:I find it hard to think of Carter as a devil's advocate.  A devil's advocate takes the opposite point of view as an instructional tool, to illuminate both sides more clearly.  He doesn't assume the contrarian view just to be a sniper. 

The NeoCONs and Reichties both are snipers,

Remember "we dont always go to war with the army we want...."

Tom does demonstrate the strengths of the the NeoCONs and Reichties; propaganda, (which is emotional, not intellectually based), repetition, speaking the language of the common man, all things written about in the NeoCON playbook, Mein Kampf.

He does demonstrate the weaknesses of the Liberals and Antheists; lack of 'faith', lack of blind obedience, and intellectualization of emotions.

To have to wait until complete destruction to 'prove' the other side wrong, is not a viable option.
Just as we invaded and occupied Oilraq without speaking their language and adapting thier culture, it is not a battle that can be won without destruction of the other sides.

We have to speak their language, we have to understand their culture, and we have to give them 'vestment' in what we offer. 

Like it or not, we have met the enemy, and we is they...