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Well the son of a bitch finally did it!

The first veto of the Bush Jr. presidency has been signed to quash HR810, The Stem Cell Bill. I won't go into the particulars of the vote in the House or Senate because it's front page news and doesn't need to be repeated here. Needless to say, the bill passed with a majority in both houses, but not with the two thirds majority necessary to override the presidential veto.

Never mind that the 400,000 blastocysts (parasites according to The Antichrist) in question are the frozen leftovers from in vitro fertilization and are slated to be disposed of.

Never mind that in vitro fertilization uses multiple blastocysts for each attempt to impregnate the mother, and the procedure is often repeated several times to achieve one successful pregnancy. Every non-implanted blastocyst that is used to produce this one "snowflake" baby is sacrificed, but the opponents of stem cell research never complain about this little fact.

Never mind that these clumps of cells no larger than the period at the end of this sentence are neither fetuses nor thinking breathing babies. They are no more human at this early stage of development than the hundreds of millions of spermatozoa that Rush Limbaugh leaves in the Dominican Republic on one of his underage Viagra-charged love junkets.

Never mind that Bush will call stem cell research murder when it is politically expedient, but he will be the first to remind you that the research is not illegal if performed by privately funded institutions. This implies that murder is legal when privately funded. Not withstanding, if Halliburton ever gets into the stem cell business, you can bet that they will receive government funding and tax credits.

Never mind that the same man who so dearly wants to protect the sanctity of each and every life did not pardon or commute the death sentence for even one death row inmate while governor of Texas. Mr. Defender of Life mimicked and mocked Carla Faye Tucker's pleas for clemency. I nearly died laughing when I heard his little routine. What a crackup!

Never mind that Bush so easily sends young Americans into war, or considers the subsequent civilian deaths acceptable collateral losses. But he says it weighs upon him, and you gotta believe it. I bet when we hit the 3000 mark in Iraq, Bush won't be able to tell a joke for ten minutes.

The Decider has decided, and his legacy continues to take its monstrous shape. But I wonder, what were the other possible bills that now will never receive the distinction of the first Bush veto?

Anti chewing with you mouth open at important state functions bill
Anti chewing with you mouth open while cursing at important state functions bill
Anti groping of foreign leaders and dignitaries at important state functions bill
No f-bombs in Congress bill
Reaffirmation of Newton's Laws of Mechanics bill (aka Theory of Gravity Bill)
U.S. recognition that Vatican II ever happened bill
Anti-Inquisition bill
Weight-room time limited to one hour per day during times of national crisis bill
Recognition that Global Warming is real, Global Warming is bad bill
Hurricane, Earthquake, Tsunami, inclimate weather preparedness bill
Recognition that cavemen did not hunt dinosaurs bill (aka Flintstones bill)
Anti Helen Thomas torture bill
Apocalypse is not a foreign policy bill
Any GI bill
Constitution isn't a goddamn piece of paper bill

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Average American

Jul. 19, 2006 at 07:30:54 PM

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Never mind the fact they have never gone to clinical trials.

Never mind that fact that adult stem cells have actually reached clinicals and been found to help between 8 and 72 different illnesses. (depends on who's info you look at)

Never mind that this doesn't make it illegal to do the reseach, just that Uncle Sam isn't going to dump money we don't have into it. I would think you would be happy that he did the fiscally smart thing here moron.

Never mind the fact that convicted killers are routinely put to death and they all say they are innocent.

Never mind the fact that our ALL VOLUNTEER force new the dangers and enlisted to serve anyway.

Never mind the fact that you never mind an increase in spending for social issues but it's never ok for our military.

Never mind the fact that had he vetoed any other bill for say education, welfare, the highway bill, which were all loaded with pork and should have been vetoed, you would have no chance to give him crap for this one.

And remember, I could potentially benefit form research like this, but the government has no business in the business of medical care, anymore than they already are, which is way to much.

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indie616

Jul. 19, 2006 at 08:00:20 PM

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Great article MIC.
You laid it out well; the hypocrisy of Bush. Never mind that the great majority of Americans want this bill-he is the decider.

Funny how the right wing becomes fiscally responsible when it suits their own agenda, isn't it?

Funny how the right wing is worried about a few cells more than living breathing human beings. (especially people who don't have white skin or aren't Christian)

Funny how the right wing is willing to experiment on entire countries and their populations, but not with a few lumps of cells.

Funny how the right wing worships Reagan and his wife Nancy, but ignores completely her wishes.

Funny how the right wing thinks that Bill Frist is a genius because he can diagnose a comatose woman on a videotape, but is wrong on stem cells.

Funny how the right wing can inject the military into a debate about stem cells. (but don't have any compuction about cutting VA benefits or not giving soldiers a break in the bankruptcy bill)

Except is not funny. It is sad.

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Average American

Jul. 19, 2006 at 09:12:15 PM

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MIc mentioned the military first, read Indie...Read.

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indie616

Jul. 19, 2006 at 09:27:14 PM

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LOL AA,
That is the best ya got?

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Normalized Vector

Jul. 19, 2006 at 10:24:51 PM

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The idiot didn't veto the bill because it was a fiscally sound decision. The idiot vetoed the bill because he doesn't give a flying f*** about anybody suffering that could benefit from the research. If he did, he would have let the bill pass.

Here's what he does care about, and the reason he was so strong on this issue and was unwilling to listen to reason. He owes a lot to the Christians out there, after all, they're the ones that put him where he is... because they're idiots too. And they don't believe in abortion because... well... because they didn't read anti-christ's article.

Anyway, abortion isn't illegal (and I don't think it should ever be), so all those valuable stem cells that could be used for research are getting thrown down the toilette because some idiot decided he doesn't think it's right.

If you ask me, I don't think it's right to waste such a valuable resource. There is no moral dillema with using excess resources to save lives. Science over Religion, we will never truly advance as a society until this happens.

It boils down to this, Christians that pull s*** like this are the scum of the earth. Preaching their morals when they have none. Preaching their values, when they only value themselves. Preaching the ten commandments as they worship idols (crosses). Going through life with their hypocritical ways, snubbing people outside their circles. All the while convincing themselves that all they have to is accept Jesus Christ before they die and they'll have a spot in heaven.

With that said, I kind of hope you Christians are right, because if you are, most of you are going to burn in hell.

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Jul. 19, 2006 at 10:59:15 PM

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"Never mind the fact they have never gone to clinical trials."

Clinical trials are at the tail end of research, not the front end. No responsible scientist says that fetal stem cell research is guaranteed to cure neurodegenerative, autoimmune, or spinal traumatic disease. But by their very nature, undedifferentiated stem cells found in early embryonic development hold great promise to do just that. If you tie the hands of researchers right from the very start, limiting them to a handful of the most promising line of stem cells, asking them to make a list of these lines without a clear understanding or what constitutes "promising" in the first place - well then you run a high risk of suffocating that research before it ever takes off.

"Never mind that fact that adult stem cells have actually reached clinicals and been found to help between 8 and 72 different illnesses. (depends on who's info you look at)"

Yes, it depends on who's research you look at. I look at the research from medical journals, not Brit Humes. Adult stem cells are harder to work with, they are much harder to isolate, they are not as undedifferentiated as fetal stem cells, and they are more likely to contain genetic defects. The best chances of realizing real cures for disease (or for regrowing an eye, for example) lie with fetal pluripotent stem cells, not the adult lines.

"Never mind that this doesn't make it illegal to do the reseach, just that Uncle Sam isn't going to dump money we don't have into it. I would think you would be happy that he did the fiscally smart thing here moron."

Tony Snow said today "the simple answer is that he [the President] thinks that murder's wrong." He then goes on to remind us that fetal stem cell research is legal, but that government funds will not be used to fund it because it destroys human life. What are we to make of these two statements? It's murder, but it's legal? This kind of logic is insulting. To murder something, it has to be alive. A rounded clump of cells without nervous system, circulatory system, respiratory system, or any organs for that matter, is not alive in a human sense. It has potential to be alive in the future, sure enough. But so does my sperm, or the organic chemicals found in primordial slime. We eat more complex organisms for lunch. It can't be the human DNA we are worshiping and affording human rights to, because in that case every hair I left at the barbers today had the DNA locked within it to become a person. Now nearly every serious U.S. lab doing stem cell research relies unpon government funding. To cut off the funding is to cut off the 99% of the research. It is the effective death of one of the most promising directions in medical research, all because of one ignorant man's ignorant/lazy/simplistic preconceptions of how things should be. It is criminal, and further proof that this idiot is building us a road to the 14th century. As for the money involved, one day in Iraq will cover all the proposed rearch grants and more. This isn't about saving money - it's about dogma and satisfying a fundamentalist conservative base.

"Never mind the fact that convicted killers are routinely put to death and they all say they are innocent."

Sometimes mistakes are made. Sometimes there is still a small shred of doubt. Sometimes the conviction is very doubtful. Out of 150 cases, this God fearing life-loving man never spent more than 30 minutes in deliberation. Clinton would usually spend days reviewing the specifics of the case. But no surprise here. Spending that much time looking at the mercy pleas of poor people would definitely cut into his mountain biking time.

"Never mind the fact that our ALL VOLUNTEER force new the dangers and enlisted to serve anyway."

No one voluteers to be used for a war based on misinformation or lies. Many of these kids volunteered to bring bin Laden to justice and eliminate Al Queda. They didn't sign up to bring civil war to Iraq and emasculate the power of the U.S. in all the other trouble spots of the world.

"Never mind the fact that you never mind an increase in spending for social issues but it's never ok for our military."

I mind any increase in spending that is wasteful, destructive, or simply an unwise investment. Stem cell research, basic sciences, space exploration, infrastructure investments, border/port security, Social Security, Medicare, and a host of other programs are neither of these. No bid contracts, wars of aggression, and graft/corruption are. BTW, I'll repeat myself once again: Afghanistan good, Iraq bad. Supporting troops good, supporting war profiteers bad.

"Never mind the fact that had he vetoed any other bill for say education, welfare, the highway bill, which were all loaded with pork and should have been vetoed, you would have no chance to give him crap for this one."

Oh there's all sort of stuff he almost vetoed that I would have given him crap for. The anti-torture bill for instance. Problem is, the things that he threatens to veto are exactly the things a rational person would never even think of standing in the way of. The things he lets sail by are the dregs of legislation that should never have seen the light of day. Bush is a precisely calibrated moral compass: if he points in one direction, I walk in the exact opposite. You know me AA, and I will give a man his due if I can. This is so hard to do with Bush however. All I could come up with is the Northwest Hawaiian Island Marine Santuary. His whole rationale with stem cell research is incredibly cynical, ignorant, dogmatic, and hypocritical. Yet another massive embarassment.

"And remember, I could potentially benefit form research like this, but the government has no business in the business of medical care, anymore than they already are, which is way to much."

As I mentioned above, medical research is strongly reliant on public funds. Why? 1. It can be prohibitively expensive and out of reach of most (or all) of the private sector. 2. It is often performed at academic/university centers, the majority public institutions. The government happens to be in the business of funding public universities because of their role in educating the public and advancing science/technology/society. 3. The government is in the business of serving the people. Funding medical research and education, and investing in institutions dedicated to delivering healthcare to the community is part of this function and is one of the more noble mission for government. 4. Let's say that medical research is the exclusive domain of the private sector. Guess what happens when they develop that revolutionary chemotherapy or stem cell treatment for paralysis. You won't be able to afford it. Imagine if the Salk vaccine had to be developed with private funds, and cost $100/innoculation. We'd still have polio today. And if a vaccine were eventually developed, it wouldn't be distributed universally so eradication would be impossible. Such is the promise of 100% privatized free enterprise healthcare. Oh brave new world!

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Jul. 19, 2006 at 11:22:38 PM

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BTW, here's a good link for more info on stem cell research:

[link:stemcells.nih.gov]

Oh, and NV, that was an excellent response to AA and a perfect analysis of Bush's real motivations. He is a complete fraud.

Indie just sent me the latest entry by the Rude Pundit. I just have to include it here (censored for your innocent eyes):

7/19/2006
The George Bush Merry-Go-Round of F**ktardery:
So we've finally come full circle in the presidency of George W. Bush, back to those heady pre-9/11 days, and just five murderous years later. Remember that summer beforeeverythingchanged? God, it was fun. When his job approval ratings hovered ominously near 50 percent and trending downward. When Comedy Central could have an entire show dedicated to mocking him (and it wasn't The Daily Show). When the issue of the day that Bush was considering with all the thinkin' his head could manage was stem cell research.

It'd be so f**kin' poetic if Bush used his first veto on August 9, the fifth anniversary of his bulls**t little speech declaring the use of embryos for fetal stem cell experiments off limits for federal funding, acting as if he had really gone on some monk-like retreat, wandering into the Texas scrub to consider the ethical dilemma of the matter, delving into Kierkegaard and Aquinas as he sought a utilitarian answer to what he said he considered the most profound questions of the truths of existence, of the meaning of ethics and morality. Instead, he treated us, the citizens of the nation, like dogs that had sh*t on the kitchen floor, rubbing our noses in his bible, saying, "[I] believe human life is a sacred gift from our Creator. I worry about a culture that devalues life." At least there was an attempt at subtlety.

Now his thuggish press secretary is telling the media that embryonic stem cell research is "murder" even as a just-short-of-two-thirds of the Senate approves federal funding for the research after a debate that flirted with respectability. And because he can't actually issue a signing statement that says he thinks he can stop the funding because he is constitutionally empowered to protect the nation, Bush will use his first veto. As he promised back when he had just a smidge more power than he does now.

And as for the G-8 buffoonery, goddamnit, puking in the lap of the Japanese prime minister seems positively dignified in retrospect. Beyond the little bit of dialogue picked up by a mike, where Bush said, "Sh*t" (does he get fined by the FCC?) and he acted like the spazzy kid with ADD playin' the President at United Nations Day in third grade, there was his bizarro treatment of the elected Chancellor of Germany like she was a secretary who had typed too many letters. Look at the pictures of this President Bush as he heads over to Angela Merkel to give her a brief shoulder grab/rub. First look at his eyes, those dead, cold eyes, like Karloff's Frankenstein's monster, or the kind of eyes of someone so immune to human contact and warmth that he only wakes up when watching a particularly gruesome snuff film, where sick f**ks jack off on the body parts of a Mexican woman they just chopped up. Look at his hands on her shoulders. He doesn't even know what he's doing. He doesn't even know that unless he warms up her shoulder muscles first, he's just gonna give her one hell of a cramp. Circular movements with the thumbs, motherf**ker, not whole hand squeezing. Christ, no wonder Laura spends more time with her waterproof vibrator in the tub than in bed with her husband.

Merkel's reaction, though, is not just one of pain, not just one of "What the f**k do you think you're doing?" It's a look of frustration, of supreme irritation, of having picked up after a child time and time again but the little f**ker just thinks it's funny to keep dumping sh*t on the floor. It's almost like she wants to say, "Focus, you dumb f**kin' sh*tkicker wannabe. There's goddamn wars going on and you're wanderin' around, acting like we're a toilet paper corporation deciding if we wanna put flowers or butterflies on our new brand." And then Bush walks off with his zombie stagger, blank stare drawing him to the next embarassment. Sh*t, Bush got off easy. If Ronald Reagan had tried to massage Margaret Thatcher, he'd've pulled back nubs.

So, if there was any doubt left, for anyone, all the shine and polish and spin in the world ain't gonna cover-up the fact that we are back to where we were, that pre-9/11 mindset that made us think, "God, just don't let him blow up the whole f**kin' world before he's outta there."

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Jul. 20, 2006 at 12:39:18 AM

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On a bright note, this will probably increase the Democrats' chances to dominate the upcoming elections because I'm sure most of the voters out there agree with our Congress and not our President. And what happens when the Democrats hold a majority?

Impeachment?

I hate this "crossing moral boundaries" bulls***, what moral boundaries? Lets see... we could throw away 400,000+ potential tools for the advancement of medecine ooooorrrrrrrr use them. I think President Bush is "crossing moral boundaries" by preventing such a great bill from being passed.

What a twat.

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Average American

Jul. 20, 2006 at 12:52:48 AM

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MIC,

Your a doctor of sorts, I am not. I was not quoting Brit Hume though, i was quoting what the guy on the news said when he lised the arguiements for the program.

I am no expert here, but...

I don't think we need to spend federal money on this. You guys get all pissed when the private sector tries to recoup the money it spent to come up with Viagra, but this the government should spend on. Come on, if we "real Conservatives" are evr going to get control of the bad spending habits of this administration I am going to applaud anything we don't spend money on.

As for what Bush cares about and doesn't, how would you know NV. You got a conduit to his brain, I think not. Nor do I.

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Normalized Vector

Jul. 20, 2006 at 01:15:20 AM

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"As for what Bush cares about and doesn't, how would you know NV. You got a conduit to his brain, I think not. Nor do I."

Let's see, the dude don't read. He deligates that duty to his cabinet members, then they tell... oops, I mean advise him what to do.

Like Moron said, he rarely spends more than half an hour thinking about worldly decisions that effect the lives of millions.

He wastes perfectly good fetus matter... because why? Because he doesn't want to piss off the Christians. Anyway, he reminded me of a 10 year old kid talking to his little brother last week. "If they pass that bill, I'll just veto it... Heh Heh Heh Heh" as his shoulders bob up and down.

He don't care about anyone but him self, his buddies and his business partners.

Actions speak for them selves, I don't need hard wire to his brain to know that he doesn't care about people. You can just watch him speak and observe his actions to see that.

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