TRAIN'S A-COMIN'
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Posted By: June Posted on: Apr. 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM |
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Last night the House and Senate passed a FY2010 budget
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Apr. 4, 2009 at 07:03:22 AM
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| Yep, trains a comming....
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer Andrew Taylor, Associated Press Writer – Fri Mar 20, 7:43 pm ET WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, more than four times the deficits of Republican George W. Bush's presidency, congressional auditors said Friday. The new Congressional Budget Office figures offered a far more dire outlook for Obama's budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. It's a prospect even the president's own budget director called unsustainable. |
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Apr. 5, 2009 at 09:34:00 AM
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[This is a reply to comment by adam on Apr. 4, 2009 at 07:03:22 AM]
adam
Apr. 4, 2009 at 07:03:22 AM Yep, trains a comming.... By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer Andrew Taylor, Associated Press Writer – Fri Mar 20, 7:43 pm ET WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's budget would produce $9.3 trillion in... View this Comment Yeah, we should cut spending and let people starve, die, freeze, let roads crumble, water systems shut down, and the electrical grid fail totally. I mean we can't have deficits, during a depression. Even though that is exactly what Keynesians believe we should be doing. Including Adam's flavors of the month, Stiglitz and Krugman. So, Adam is going to mix and match paste eating Paul Libertarianism with Krugman and Stiglitz's liberalism. |
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Apr. 6, 2009 at 07:00:38 AM
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[This is a reply to comment by Phaedrus on Apr. 5, 2009 at 09:34:00 AM]
Phaedrus
Apr. 5, 2009 at 09:34:00 AM Yeah, we should cut spending and let people starve, die, freeze, let roads crumble, water systems shut down, and the electrical grid fail totally. I mean we can't have deficits, during a depression. Even though that is exactly what Keynesians... View this Comment The new Congressional Budget Office figures offered a far more dire outlook for Obama's budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. It's a prospect even the president's own budget director called unsustainable. I understand deficit spending during DEPRESSIONS. But UNLIKE YOU, TARDO I want a SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY. Every day IN AMERICA, people starve, die, freeze, roads crumble.... Just THINK of ALL THE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS that Summers, Gensler and Geithner are feeding into the WEALTHY Bankers coffers in this HUGE PONZI SCHEME. THINK of what you can do with THOUSANDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, to STAVE of STARVATION, HELP the DYING, BUILD INFRASTUCTURE.... So phake, is going to WHORE and CHEERLEAD for the s*** EATERS who created this mess....
The Best Way To Rob A Bank Is To Own One/span> ... BILL MOYERS: Who's covering up?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Geithner is charging, is covering up. Just like Paulson did before him. Geithner is publicly saying that it's going to take $2 trillion — a trillion is a thousand billion — $2 trillion taxpayer dollars to deal with this problem. But they're allowing all the banks to report that they're not only solvent, but fully capitalized. Both statements can't be true. It can't be that they need $2 trillion, because they have masses losses, and that they're fine./span> These are all people who have failed. Paulson failed, Geithner failed. They were all promoted because they failed, not because.../span> BILL MOYERS: What do you mean?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, Geithner has, was one of our nation's top regulators, during the entire subprime scandal, that I just described. He took absolutely no effective action. He gave no warning. He did nothing in response to the FBI warning that there was an epidemic of fraud. All this pig in the poke stuff happened under him. So, in his phrase about legacy assets. Well he's a failed legacy regulator./span> BILL MOYERS: But he denies that he was a regulator. Let me show you some of his testimony before Congress. Take a look at this. /span> TIMOTHY GEITHNER:I've never been a regulator, for better or worse. And I think you're right to say that we have to be very skeptical that regulation can solve all of these problems. We have parts of our system that are overwhelmed by regulation. /span> Overwhelmed by regulation! It wasn't the absence of regulation that was the problem, it was despite the presence of regulation you've got huge risks that build up. /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, he may be right that he never regulated, but his job was to regulate. That was his mission statement./span> BILL MOYERS: As? /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: As president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which is responsible for regulating most of the largest bank holding companies in America. And he's completely wrong that we had too much regulation in some of these areas. I mean, he gives no details, obviously. But that's just plain wrong./span> BILL MOYERS: How is this happening? I mean why is it happening?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Until you get the facts, it's harder to blow all this up. And, of course, the entire strategy is to keep people from getting the facts. /span> BILL MOYERS: What facts?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: The facts about how bad the condition of the banks is. So, as long as I keep the old CEO who caused the problems, is he going to go vigorously around finding the problems? Finding the frauds?/span> BILL MOYERS: You--/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Taking away people's bonuses?/span> BILL MOYERS: To hear you say this is unusual because you supported Barack Obama, during the campaign. But you're seeming disillusioned now. /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, certainly in the financial sphere, I am. I think, first, the policies are substantively bad. Second, I think they completely lack integrity. Third, they violate the rule of law. This is being done just like Secretary Paulson did it. In violation of the law. We adopted a law after the Savings and Loan crisis, called the Prompt Corrective Action Law. And it requires them to close these institutions. And they're refusing to obey the law. /span> BILL MOYERS: In other words, they could have closed these banks without nationalizing them? /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, you do a receivership. No one -- Ronald Reagan did receiverships. Nobody called it nationalization. /span> BILL MOYERS: And that's a law? /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: That's the law. /span> BILL MOYERS: So, Paulson could have done this? Geithner could do this? /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Not could. Was mandated--/span> BILL MOYERS: By the law./span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: By the law. /span> BILL MOYERS: This law, you're talking about./span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Yes. /span> BILL MOYERS: What the reason they give for not doing it?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: They ignore it. And nobody calls them on it./span> BILL MOYERS: Well, where's Congress? Where's the press? Where--/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, where's the Pecora investigation?/span> BILL MOYERS: The what? /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: The Pecora investigation. The Great Depression, we said, "Hey, we have to learn the facts. What caused this disaster, so that we can take steps, like pass the Glass-Steagall law, that will prevent future disasters?" Where's our investigation? /span> What would happen if after a plane crashes, we said, "Oh, we don't want to look in the past. We want to be forward looking. Many people might have been, you know, we don't want to pass blame. No. We have a nonpartisan, skilled inquiry. We spend lots of money on, get really bright people. And we find out, to the best of our ability, what caused every single major plane crash in America. And because of that, aviation has an extraordinarily good safety record. We ought to follow the same policies in the financial sphere. We have to find out what caused the disasters, or we will keep reliving them. And here, we've got a double tragedy. It isn't just that we are failing to learn from the mistakes of the past. We're failing to learn from the successes of the past./span> BILL MOYERS: What do you mean?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: In the Savings and Loan debacle, we developed excellent ways for dealing with the frauds, and for dealing with the failed institutions. And for 15 years after the Savings and Loan crisis, didn't matter which party was in power, the U.S. Treasury Secretary would fly over to Tokyo and tell the Japanese, "You ought to do things the way we did in the Savings and Loan crisis, because it worked really well. Instead you're covering up the bank losses, because you know, you say you need confidence. And so, we have to lie to the people to create confidence. And it doesn't work. You will cause your recession to continue and continue." And the Japanese call it the lost decade. That was the result. So, now we get in trouble, and what do we do? We adopt the Japanese approach of lying about the assets. And you know what? It's working just as well as it did in Japan. /span> BILL MOYERS: Yeah. Are you saying that Timothy Geithner, the Secretary of the Treasury, and others in the administration, with the banks, are engaged in a cover up to keep us from knowing what went wrong? /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Absolutely./span> BILL MOYERS: You are./span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Absolutely, because they are scared to death. All right? They're scared to death of a collapse. They're afraid that if they admit the truth, that many of the large banks are insolvent. They think Americans are a bunch of cowards, and that we'll run screaming to the exits. And we won't rely on deposit insurance. And, by the way, you can rely on deposit insurance. And it's foolishness. All right? Now, it may be worse than that. You can impute more cynical motives. But I think they are sincerely just panicked about, "We just can't let the big banks fail." That's wrong./span> BILL MOYERS: But what might happen, at this point, if in fact they keep from us the true health of the banks?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, then the banks will, as they did in Japan, either stay enormously weak, or Treasury will be forced to increasingly absurd giveaways of taxpayer money. We've seen how horrific AIG -- and remember, they kept secrets from everyone./span> BILL MOYERS: A.I.G. did? /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: What we're doing with -- no, Treasury and both administrations. The Bush administration and now the Obama administration kept secret from us what was being done with AIG. AIG was being used secretly to bail out favored banks like UBS and like Goldman Sachs. Secretary Paulson's firm, that he had come from being CEO. It got the largest amount of money. $12.9 billion. And they didn't want us to know that. And it was only Congressional pressure, and not Congressional pressure, by the way, on Geithner, but Congressional pressure on AIG. /span> Where Congress said, "We will not give you a single penny more unless we know who received the money." And, you know, when he was Treasury Secretary, Paulson created a recommendation group to tell Treasury what they ought to do with AIG. And he put Goldman Sachs on it. /span> BILL MOYERS: Even though Goldman Sachs had a big vested stake./span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Massive stake. And even though he had just been CEO of Goldman Sachs before becoming Treasury Secretary. Now, in most stages in American history, that would be a scandal of such proportions that he wouldn't be allowed in civilized society./span> BILL MOYERS: Yeah, like a conflict of interest, it seems./span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Massive conflict of interests. /span> /span> /span> /span> Yes, the TRAIN is COMING!/span> /span> /span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>Notice HOW GEITHNER, says that there were TOO MUCH REGULATION AND REGULATION IS the problme.This is the plan, and these are the peeps I wanted running the show. I don't need to justify it. This is what is what I wanted. -phake link:[www.voiceofarizona.com] /span> You've BEEN HAD! And YOU are going to sit there and WHORE for these SAME PEOPLE?
Yes, the TRAIN IS COMIN!/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span>/span> |
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Apr. 6, 2009 at 01:18:14 PM
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| Get off the tracks, adumb, you're liable to hurt yourself!
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Apr. 7, 2009 at 01:01:24 AM
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[This is a reply to comment by adam on Apr. 6, 2009 at 07:00:38 AM]
adam
Apr. 6, 2009 at 07:00:38 AM The new Congressional Budget Office figures offered a far more dire outlook for Obama's budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. It's a prospect even the president's own budget... View this Comment That is, if the train backs up.... |
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Apr. 7, 2009 at 06:19:04 AM
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[This is a reply to comment by June on Apr. 6, 2009 at 01:18:14 PM]
June
Apr. 6, 2009 at 01:18:14 PM Get off the tracks, adumb, you're liable to hurt... View this Comment So JuneWHORE, I suppose YOU SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY Geithners claims that Banking is OVER REGULATED.... |
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Apr. 7, 2009 at 06:20:51 AM
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| WILLIAM K. BLACK: There were two really big things, under the Clinton administration. One, they got rid of the law that came out of the real-world disasters of the Great Depression. We learned a lot of things in the Great Depression. And one is we had to separate what's called commercial banking from investment banking. That's the Glass-Steagall law. But we thought we were much smarter, supposedly. So we got rid of that law, and that was bipartisan. And the other thing is we passed a law, because there was a very good regulator, Brooksley Born, that everybody should know about and probably doesn't. She tried to do the right thing to regulate one of these exotic derivatives that you're talking about. We call them C.D.F.S. And Summers, Rubin, and Phil Gramm came together to say not only will we block this particular regulation. We will pass a law that says you can't regulate. And it's this type of derivative that is most involved in the AIG scandal. AIG all by itself, cost the same as the entire Savings and Loan debacle./span> BILL MOYERS: What did AIG contribute? What did they do wrong?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: They made bad loans. Their type of loan was to sell a guarantee, right? And they charged a lot of fees up front. So, they booked a lot of income. Paid enormous bonuses. The bonuses we're thinking about now, they're much smaller than these bonuses that were also the product of accounting fraud. And they got very, very rich. But, of course, then they had guaranteed this toxic waste. These liars' loans. Well, we've just gone through why those toxic waste, those liars' loans, are going to have enormous losses. And so, you have to pay the guarantee on those enormous losses. And you go bankrupt. Except that you don't in the modern world, because you've come to the United States, and the taxpayers play the fool. Under Secretary Geithner and under Secretary Paulson before him... we took $5 billion dollars, for example, in U.S. taxpayer money. And sent it to a huge Swiss Bank called UBS. At the same time that that bank was defrauding the taxpayers of America. And we were bringing a criminal case against them. We eventually get them to pay a $780 million fine, but wait, we gave them $5 billion. So, the taxpayers of America paid the fine of a Swiss Bank. And why are we bailing out somebody who that is defrauding us? /span> BILL MOYERS: And why.../span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: How mad is this?/span> BILL MOYERS: What is your explanation for why the bankers who created this mess are still calling the shots? /span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, that, especially after what's just happened at G.M., that's... it's scandalous. /span> BILL MOYERS: Why are they firing the president of G.M. and not firing the head of all these banks that are involved?/span> WILLIAM K. BLACK: There are two reasons. One, they're much closer to the bankers. These are people from the banking industry. And they have a lot more sympathy. In fact, they're outright hostile to autoworkers, as you can see. They want to bash all of their contracts. But when they get to banking, they say, ‘contracts, sacred.' But the other element of your question is we don't want to change the bankers, because if we do, if we put honest people in, who didn't cause the problem, their first job would be to find the scope of the problem. And that would destroy the cover up. /span> BILL MOYERS: The cover up?/span> |
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Apr. 7, 2009 at 09:06:49 AM
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| do you intend to serialize the entire interview, adumb? why not summarize mr black's points or just give a link? or - is c&p really your sole raison d'etre here?
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Apr. 7, 2009 at 12:18:30 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by June on Apr. 7, 2009 at 09:06:49 AM]
June
Apr. 7, 2009 at 09:06:49 AM do you intend to serialize the entire interview, adumb? why not summarize mr black's points or just give a link? or - is c&p really your sole raison d'etre... View this Comment I just want to make sure you are exposed to the truth..... Even though it is probably over your head, you can never claim you never heard about it...
SO, JuneWHORE, Do YOU SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY Geithners claims that Banking is OVER REGULATED and that regulation IS THE PROBLEM?
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