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The people in Michigan and Florida should demand that their votes count in this years democratic primary. Then they should be denied faster than Hillary by the 3 a.m. girl. Since we do not live in a truly democratic society we are forced to live with the decisions made by our elected officials.
The delegates from Michigan and Florida, who decided to illegally move forward their state's primaries, don't deserve to be seated at the DNC. The elected officials are acting like spoiled brats who cut in front of everyone in line at the movie theater only to find out the front row isn't always the best seat. They made a decision and they should live by it.
DNC Chairman Howard Dean feels the same way. Maybe it's a matter of not footing the bill for a re-do, which could cost $10 - $20 million each, when DNC funds should be going towards supporting the candidates bid for the presidency. Maybe it's the fact that a re-do is a lot more complicated than it seems. A mail-in only effort wouldn't be secure enough to guarantee a credible outcome. A democratic senator from the state said experimenting with such a process is too risky. I agree. The governor of Florida, who is a McCain supporter, already said he won't pay for another primary. He shouldn't . Taxpayer dollars were already squandered the first time.
Hillary's shameful attempt to get the delegates counted is just another example of the depths she will sink to so she can move back into that sterile bedroom.
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Posted By: R. D. Briceland Posted on: Mar. 10, 2008 at 8:46 AM  10 Comments
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Mar. 10, 2008 at 10:42:54 AM
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[This is a reply to comment by William on Mar. 10, 2008 at 10:19:45 AM]
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Mar. 10, 2008 at 12:45:36 PM
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| Point well taken, RD - the head of the line ain't always the place to be if you wanta make a difference! Who cares about a re-do? Yeah, that disenfrancises FL and OH voters and they deserve it for waiting so long to raise hell about being left out! I'm waiting for Mr. Toad's spin to justify Hillary's counting those MI delegates as hers, too! Talk about poor form... |
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Mar. 10, 2008 at 11:35:04 PM
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| For a liberal RD your kind of mean spirited. To bad you don't feel the same way about the poor who put themselves in that position by not working, the druggies who picked up the needle for the first time and stuck it in their own arm or the illegals who broke the law of their own free will when the crossed the border. Hypocrite. How can you be happy with the DNC setting up special rules just because they changed their primary dates? Why should this have ever been done to start with? Moving their dates up for the primary should not have caused any issue at all. These are Americans and they deserve to have their vote counted. June, did I get that right? I believe it was your side of the aisle that wanted the retards votes counted in Florida for every hanging, pregnant and dented chad. Or are you just afraid that Obama will have his ass handed to him if Florida and Michigan re-vote? Hypocrites all the way around. |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 06:00:09 AM
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| Florida and Michigan Governors were warned that if they moved up their primaries, their delegates would not be seated. Howard Dean has no choice other than stick to his original ruling, that their delegates would not count. If they seated the delegates we'd have politcal WWIII and every state in the union would want to be 'first' in the next election - not to mention Obama would be forever whining about his name not being on the ballot in Michigan (his name was on the ballot and he chose to have it removed). The new plan is for the know-it-alls in Florida and Michigan to come up with a second primary and figure out a way to pay for it. Florida is thinking about a mail-in vote and already has a promise of funding by a private party. No matter what they decide to do somehow or another the people in Florida and Michigan have a right to have their voices heard. Their vote is as important as anyone elses so some arrangements have to be made for them. If they cannot figure out a way to get Florida dn Michigan delegates to the convention, then we'll have a bigger problem. The nominee cannot be chosen by the delegates in the remaining states, because theere are not enough botes to put either casndidate over the top - which will leave the superdelegates making the choice and Florida and Michigan voters would be left out in the cold. P. |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 06:52:17 AM
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| Ironically, if FL or MI had moved to mid March, rather than early April, they'd have a much bigger impact on the outcome. They were warned that moving up to a certain date would invalidate their delegates. They did it. So now they get no delegates. And they are acting like it is someone else's fault. I'm used to that from my 5 year old.
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 07:56:35 AM
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[This is a reply to comment by Phaedrus on Mar. 11, 2008 at 06:52:17 AM]
Phaedrus
Mar. 11, 2008 at 06:52:17 AM Ironically, if FL or MI had moved to mid March, rather than early April, they'd have a much bigger impact on the outcome. They were warned that moving up to a certain date would invalidate their delegates. They did it. So now they get no delegates.... View this Comment There will be major problems with a mail-in primary. FLA has never conducted this type of operation. The stakes are too high, the outcome is too close, the possibility of error is too great. MI is still pretty far from reaching a solution. Then again, wouldn't it be interesting to see both democratic nominees battle it out in the most corrupt state in the union for the presidential nomination? Hillary has the decided advantage on "ability to rig a mail-in primary" but I think Obama could hold his own and pull off the upset the old-fashioned way. |
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Mar. 11, 2008 at 08:51:27 AM
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[This is a reply to comment by June on Mar. 10, 2008 at 12:45:36 PM]
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Mar. 10, 2008 at 12:45:36 PM Point well taken, RD - the head of the line ain't always the place to be if you wanta make a difference! Who cares about a re-do? Yeah, that disenfrancises FL and OH voters and they deserve it for waiting so long to raise hell about... View this Comment Like I said, I was never for Hillary or Obama. But given the choices, I choose Hillary. I don't know what's going to happen with Michigan and Florida. But I can assume, based on my gut-feeling, that if both elections were replayed and given a couple more months for Obama's true colors to be revealed, the voters would stand up and largely support Hillary. No spin here, June. It's just another strong, un-researched opinion. It will be called a Republican or neo-con opinion, I'm sure. After all, I've recently learned from William and others that Hillary Clinton is actually a Republican operative. You know, you just can't be Democratic or liberal enough to win the hearts and minds of "progressives" on this forum. Not any liberal Democrat will do. |
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Mar. 13, 2008 at 10:11:49 PM
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| Michigan moved up its primary to be more of a "player" how'd that work out? Things are so bad in Michigan... Ohio doesn't even sound that bad anymore. |
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Mar. 13, 2008 at 10:54:49 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by Bob Toad on Mar. 11, 2008 at 08:51:27 AM]
Bob Toad
Mar. 11, 2008 at 08:51:27 AM Like I said, I was never for Hillary or Obama. But given the choices, I choose Hillary. I don't know what's going to happen with Michigan and Florida. But I can assume, based on my gut-feeling, that if both elections were replayed... View this Comment Sorry it took me so long to get back to ya, Mr. Toad. Your candor is appreciated. Fear not having a Republican or NeoCon brand applied to your brow - at least not by me! In fact, I so appreciate your straight-forward answer, I'll lay a compliment on ya that I learned from BAA tonight - kudos for the sack, brotha! As best I can tell, that's one reserved for radio personalities or defensive linemen - either way, I hope it was worth waiting for! |
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