Israel's La Raza
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Posted By: Average American Posted on: Jan. 4, 2009 at 10:45 AM |
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Her enemies are many yet this tiny country would win the Ultimate Street Fighter award if it were given out to countries. Once surrounded by nothing but enemies, she has found some relief in a few neighbors, Egypt and Jordan, as she has reached out to make conditions livable for those who oppose her very existence.
So why, as Hamas an Iranian backed terrorist group, fires all manner of rocket into Israel, does the world seem so shocked that Israel would return fire on a massive scale?
If Great Britain hurled rockets into France, would the French not be in their right to return fire in mass to stop the barrage? What if Mexico were to inundate America with their unwanted... wait scratch that, they do that already. What if Canada launched rocket on the US, Japan on China or Argentina on Brazil?
To make is even more clear, what if New York attacked Washington DC? This is what we are really talking about here. Gaza is part of Israel, not the other way around. As is the West Bank. This is an internal issue for the Israelis to deal with and nobody outside that country should have any say in the matter considering the past carnage delivered by Hamas on the Israeli people.
I guarantee that is the KKK won election in New York and rallied their troops to launch attacks on Washington DC, there would be not one s*** of attention given to the world while America dealt with it's internal problem. Or is La Raza gained control of California, Arizona or some other border state, and started attacking the surrounding states while screaming for independence our country would not wait for the international community to put the fight to bed. That last one if the closest scenario to what is happening in Israel today.
In preparation for this article I looked at several on line maps of the region and fell upon one that showed Israel with the areas of Gaza and the West Bank actually called Palestine.
I believe Az Moderate once showed us a similar map of the southwestern United States showing Arizona, New Mexico and parts of norther Mexico and southern California listed as Azatlan or some such fictional country.
We might do well to take a page from Israel and prepare for our own coming battle...
But what would I know; I'm just an Average American.
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Jan. 4, 2009 at 03:23:22 PM
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| WOW hypocrite, In all your 'christian' concern, not a single word about an OCCUPIED and BLOCKADED Palestinian 'right to exist'? Let's rephrase your 'argument' a bit.... Let's say that China decides that to relocated the Taiwanses will have a Homeland in the US, and millions of Chinese worldwide send money to relocate millions of Taiwanese and Chinese and their displaced family from all over the world, to arm them militarily, yes even with Nuclear Weapons, and once they were here in the US, they continued to grab land and OCCUPY not only the lands given by China but YOUR lands, or maybe just the water to your lands, your livelyhood, put up massive fences, military roadblocks and denied you voting rights, civil rights and treated you as a third class citizen in your own lands. And everytime you revolted (rashly assuming that you would, lol) they not only take more land, but bomb 100 for every 10 you bomb, of course with Chinese laser guided missles, fired from Chinese aircraft along with Chinese bunker busters, Chinese bullits, etc...and then start systematically starving you off.... I think EVEN YOU can get this picture....
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Jan. 4, 2009 at 03:41:29 PM
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| Once again the World decries the "disproportianate" response of Israel. Never mind the lobbing of missiles by the Hamas cowards who hide amongst the civilian population hoping for civilian deaths they can show to the Jew hating world. Then dumbasses like Cynthia McKinney think they can sail into a war zone. No wonder dumbasses like Adam support dumbasses like McKinney. Looking forward to another cut & paste response dumbass. |
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Jan. 4, 2009 at 04:08:23 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by postman on Jan. 4, 2009 at 03:41:29 PM]
postman
Jan. 4, 2009 at 03:41:29 PM Once again the World decries the response of Israel. Never mind the lobbing of missiles by the Hamas cowards who hide amongst the civilian population hoping for civilian deaths they can show to the Jew hating world. Then dumbasses like Cynthia McKinney... View this Comment cro-mag man, Nevermind that they are OCCUPIED.... I look forward to a balanced and RATIONAL debate....rotflmao.... I understand well, that panty wetting cowards like you, would join in with the OCCUPIERS and kill your fellow OCCUPIED, as the enablers you are....
So YES, I will take Cut and Paste over your ignorant, baseless, OPINIONS
The Truth About Those Hamas Rockets /span>
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Jan. 4, 2009 at 06:16:03 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by adam on Jan. 4, 2009 at 04:08:23 PM]
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Jan. 4, 2009 at 04:08:23 PM cro-mag man, Nevermind that they are OCCUPIED.... I look forward to a balanced and RATIONAL debate....rotflmao.... I can appreciate that HISTORY of the Terrorists Zionist at the heart of this matter have little concern for you, after all most... View this Comment You cut & paste because you know nothing else. |
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Jan. 4, 2009 at 08:21:40 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by postman on Jan. 4, 2009 at 06:16:03 PM]
You know, in a sense you are right, Exposing the ignorant to a side of the argument that they will never be exposed to by the empty political propaganda that seeks to hide the truth from them for power and profit, is in my book a noble cause. I can tell your limited exposure by the silly unsubstantiated attack posts you have made, and your inabiliity to differientiate between truth and political bulls***....
You attack, attack, attack, because.....well you got nothing else..... |
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Jan. 5, 2009 at 12:28:50 PM
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Jan. 4, 2009 at 04:08:23 PM cro-mag man, Nevermind that they are OCCUPIED.... I look forward to a balanced and RATIONAL debate....rotflmao.... I can appreciate that HISTORY of the Terrorists Zionist at the heart of this matter have little concern for you, after all most... View this Comment You really need to lay off the progressive websites Adam. You are hopeless. |
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Jan. 5, 2009 at 01:08:18 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by My 2 cents on Jan. 5, 2009 at 12:28:50 PM]
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Jan. 5, 2009 at 12:28:50 PM You really need to lay off the progressive websites Adam. You are... View this Comment So why don't you 'correct' my data? I remember just a short time ago, you made similar claims about my sources from government websites, and YOU HAD.... NOTHING but your infantile attack, attack, attack me personally. Funny, how ignorant political shills can ultimately ONLY resort to unsubstantiated personal attackes, they must be too STOOPID to be able to actually research and THINK FOR THEMSELVES.... But thanks for playing and showing what you are really all about.....
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Jan. 5, 2009 at 03:43:44 PM
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| SadMan writes So why don't you 'correct' my data? After SadMan cut & pastes... Did Bush lie? A short quiz By Charles Bloomer Did Bush lie about WMDs in Iraq? Did Bush make up this story to justify going to war with Iraq? Was the story about WMDs in Iraq a right-wing-conservative-republican-warmonger conspiracy designed to mislead the American people? Who made the following statements? (Answers given below) 1. "[W]e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. … And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." 2. "We owe it to America's parents and our country's troops … to have our decision on going to war with Iraq informed by the latest threat assessment that cross-analyzes agency intelligence about Saddam Hussein's arsenal of weapons of mass destruction." 3. "I think all of us are deeply concerned about the degree to which certain countries seem to be contributing to the potential of instability in the world. Obviously, there is nothing more destabilizing or threatening than weapons of mass destruction. We have spent an enormous amount of time and energy focused on Iraq …" 4. Saddam Had Used WMD And Intended "To Do So" Again. "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." 5. "Americans need to really understand the gravity and legitimacy of what is happening with Saddam Hussein. He has been given every opportunity in the world to comply. The president does not control the schedule of UNSCOM. The president did not withdraw the UNSCOM inspectors. And the president did not, obviously, cut a deal with Saddam Hussein to do this at this moment. Saddam Hussein has not complied. Saddam Hussein is pursuing a program to build weapons of mass destruction." 6. "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." 7. "Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq… Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors… The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today that, left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again… I have ordered a strong sustained series of air strikes against Iraq. They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors… The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power he threatens the well being of his people, the peace of this region, the security of the world… He will make war on his own people. And mark my words; he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them and he will use them." 8. "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here, for the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face, and it is a threat against which we must and will stand firm." 9. "When I vote to give the president of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security…." 10. "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." 11. "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." 12. "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." 13. "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process. The responsibility of the United States in this conflict is to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, to minimize the danger to our troops and to diminish the suffering of the Iraqi people." 14. "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." 15. "I think Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that's why I voted to hold him accountable and to make certain that we disarm him. I think we need to, but it's not September 11th, folks, and the fact is that what we've learned is that the war on terror is much more of an intelligence operation and a law enforcement operation." This is only 15 quotes, yet there are many, many more. If Bush lied about WMDs, how did he pull it off? How did he convince so many American people that his lie was true? In addition to intelligence gathered by the CIA regarding, at least 3 other intelligence agencies came to the same conclusion – Britain, Italy, and Isreal. Did Bush convince the CIA and three other countries' intelligence agencies to support his lie? What about Egypt and Jordan? Both of these countries warned General Tommy Franks that Iraq possessed and would use chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons against US troops. Did Bush twist their arms? How did Bush get Congress to authorize the use of force against Iraq? Did he coerce the members of congress, of which a majority voted to authorize force against Iraq, to go along with his lie? Colin Powell wrote in The Washington Post,
Now read the answers to the quiz. It should make you reconsider whether or not Bush lied about WMDs. Answers: 1. (Senator John Kerry, Remarks At Georgetown University, Washington, DC, 1/23/03) Charles Bloomer is a Senior Writer for Enter Stage Right. He can be contacted at clbloomer@enterstageright.com. © 2004 Charles Bloomer
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Jan. 5, 2009 at 07:44:49 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by postman on Jan. 5, 2009 at 03:43:44 PM]
postman
Jan. 5, 2009 at 03:43:44 PM SadMan writes So why don't you 'correct' my data? After SadMan cut & pastes... -- Five years ago, the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass destruction to dupe us into supporting an illegal, immoral invasion of Iraq. So... View this Comment Not a SINGLE quote from Bu$h? Come on cro-mag, cant you do any better than that?
LIE: Fact: Perhaps YOU believe, like the Red hypocrite that Saddam smuggled these out of his country just when he would have needed them the most?
Now if you want to discuss Democratic LIARS, that is a different subject.....I have no problem going there either. But it is pretty ignorant of you to use TRY and use quotes from others to TRY to prove that Bu$h didnt lie, unless you are going to use quotes from others that demonstrate FACTS instead of political PANDERING, which is what you are doing.....
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By Donald Neff
A photograph dated 1947 shows a poster issued by British police forces seeking 18 wanted Jewish terrorists from the Irgun Zvai Leumi and Stern Gang. Pictured at top left is Irgun commander and future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin (AFP Photo).
AS EASY as it is to dismiss clichés as banal and misleading, the troubling problem is that they often cloak an essential truth. Scoffs and derision often greet the cliché that “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.” Yet freedom fighters is exactly how Israelis view the early Zionists who fought in 1947 for the establishment of Israel—and how Palestinians now consider their fighters resisting Israeli occupation.
The reality is that when faced with a superior military force, such as Britain possessed in 1947 and Israel does today against the Palestinians, terror is the underdog’s only viable weapon. Once a state has been established and legitimized, however, as in the cases of Israel and South Africa, the former “terrorists” tend to gain a veil of legitimacy as well. But legitimacy is now being denied Hamas. Even though Palestinians elected a Hamas-led government in free and fair elections, Israel denies it legitimacy on the grounds that Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Sixty years ago, however, at the time of the British Mandate, it was Jews in Palestine who mainly waged terrorism against the Palestinians. As Jewish leader David Ben-Gurion recorded in his personal history of Israel: “From 1946 to 1947 there were scarcely any Arab attacks on the Yishuv [the Jewish community in Palestine].”
The same could not be said for the Zionists. Jewish terrorists waged an intense and bloody campaign against the Palestinians, British, and even some Jews who opposed them leading up to the establishment of Israel.
The two major Jewish terror organizations in pre-independence Palestine were the Irgun Zvai Leumi—National Military Organization, NMO, also known by the Hebrew letters Etzel—founded in 1937, and the Lohamei Herut Israel, Fighters for the Freedom of Israel, Lehi in the Hebrew acronym, also known as the Stern Gang after its leader Avraham Stern, known as Yair, founded in 1940.
The Irgun was led by Menachem Begin, the future Israeli prime minister who was a leading proponent of Revisionist Zionism, the militant branch of Zionism pioneered by Vladimir Zeev Jabotinsky, which openly despised the Arabs and sought restoration of what it called Eretz Yisrael, the ancient land of Israel. By this was meant “both sides of the Jordan,” the Irgun slogan meaning all of Palestine and Jordan was the rightful home of the Jews.
Another belief of Begin’s was that of the “fighting Jew,” a romanticized idea expressed in Jabotinsky’s old Betar movement song of “we shall create, with sweat and blood, a race of men, strong, brave and cruel.” Israeli scholar Avishai Margalit translated the verse as “proud, generous and cruel,” adding: “Many are still waiting for the generous part to emerge.”
The Irgun was the dominant Jewish terrorist organization, both in size and the number and frequency of its attacks. Its most spectacular feat up to this time had been the July 22, 1946 blowing up of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, with the killing of 91 people—41 Arabs, 28 British and 17 Jews. Mainstream Zionists despised Begin and his Revisionists, although there was cooperation between the two on military matters. Ben-Gurion, the leader of mainstream Zionism, fought throughout his premiership with Begin.
The other major Jewish terrorist group, Lehi, was more extremist than the Irgun, claiming all the land between the Nile and the Euphrates as belonging to the Jews. When Jabotinsky declared a cease-fire in the fight against Britain and its mandate troops in Palestine during World War II, Stern broke with him and founded Lehi. Stern sought alliance with the Nazis, both because they shared an enemy in Britain and because Lehi shared Hitler’s totalitarian ideology. During the war Sternists openly celebrated Nazi victories on the battlefield.
An infamous document called the “Ankara Document” because it was found in the German Embassy in Ankara after the war, detailed Avraham Stern’s ideas “concerning the solution of the Jewish question in Europe.” It was dated Jan. 11, 1941. At the time, Stern was still a member of the Irgun, which he called by its initials, NMO. Wrote Stern: “The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish People, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries....The NMO...is well acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities toward Zionist activity inside Germany and toward Zionist emigration plans....The NMO is closely related to the totalitarian movements in Europe in its ideology and structure.”
In the Partition period, Irgun had around 2,000 men, while Lehi had about 800. Though the memberships were comparatively small, the damage these two groups caused in inflaming animosity between Arab and Jew was considerable. When Stern was killed by British police in 1942, leadership of Lehi was shared; among the leaders were Nathan Yalin-Mor, one of the eventual killers of Count Bernadotte, and Yitzhak Shamir, another future prime minister of Israel.
Arab terrorists carried out some major operations as well, including the bombing of the Jewish Agency and the Palestine Post. But in contrast to Jewish violence, it was unorganized and episodic. As historian Michael C. Hudson noted: “Organized Jewish violence against the British and Arabs (exemplified by the Irgun’s bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946), however, was far more systematic and successful than that of the Palestinians, and the latter were unable to play a significant role in the final years of the Mandate.”
The Jewish Agency, as the official representative of the Jewish community, repeatedly denied any responsibility for the acts of the Irgun and Lehi, maintaining they were underground terrorist groups operating outside the law. However, there was close cooperation among Irgun, Lehi and the Haganah underground army under an agreement called the Hebrew Resistance Movement and aimed specifically against the British Mandatory government. It went into force in the fall of 1945, when “Irgun and Lehi accepted Haganah discipline in the conduct of all armed operations,” in the words of historian Noah Lucas.
By December 1947, British High Commissioner Alan Cunningham reported to London: “...the Haganah and the dissident groups are now working so closely together that the Agency’s claim that they cannot control the dissidents is inadmissible.”
Donald Neff is the author of the Warriors trilogy, Fallen Pillars: U.S. Policy towards Palestine and Israel, and Fifty Years of Israel, all available from the AET Book Club.
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