As I was driving into work today I decided to do something I had not done in quite some time. Knowing that I was smart enough to clearly read the tea leaves a few years ago and convert my then Adjustable Rate Mortgage to a fixed rate one, I decided that I was in good enough financial shape to splurge and buy a Starbucks coffee.
As I sat there in the drive through line I started to listen to Stephanie Miller on our fine NOVA-M affiliate here in Phoenix. Ms. Miller was going on and on about Mike Huckabee and some comments he made in 1992 about the AIDS epidemic and how he thought it should be handled. Although I had not heard the quote directly I am fairly sure that Ms. Miller more than likely was correct in what she claimed Mr. Huckabee said. According to her he said something to the affect that AIDS patients had not been handled correctly in the early years of the epidemic by being quarantined. She then went on to make comparisons to leper colonies of the past and suggested that this is what Mr. Huckabee meant.
I was little interested in hearing Huckabee's direct quote until she started in with this line of thought, so off I went to the inter-net and found it.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7270.html
"If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague.... It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents." It is obvious from these comments that leper colonies were not where he was going.
Now he made a few comments about funding also but those are neither here nor there for the purposes of this article although I am sure someone will bring them up anyway but I am not here to debate them at this time.
So, as I sat there and waited for my $4.85 cup of premium coffee made through the hard work of many a third world oppressed person, I pondered at great length what the man said 15 years ago about the subject of isolation of the infected.
I think he was right back then and I think he is still right today.
In 1992 I was 22 years old, divorced and living in the newly realigned sexual world where one bad decision did not only render you some blisters of a burning stream of urine, but the potential to kill you slowly while turning you into a carrier for a dreaded and deadly disease that was reported at the time as running ramped through not just the homosexual and poor black communities, but growing in the heterosexual white community as well of which I was and still am a member.
I remember conversations I had with friends at the time as we debated what we would do if we were to find that we were positive for HIV. Suicide was on the table unlike Nukes against Iran today. I remember clearly I asked if they had any idea why the infected were allowed to continue to spread the infection to which one answered that many did not know they even had it because it could lay silent for up to ten years. This was the knowledge of the time. We spoke of stories we had heard, like the dentist mentioned in the article linked to above, and others that we could not confirm that were surely just rumors. We were unsure of the way it got transmitted although we knew for sure that one way was through sex.
I mentioned the old TB hospitals that were used to isolate those infected with that disease many years earlier. I knew of these not from memory but from having lived near one abandoned after its use and later turned into the headquarter of Caesar Chavez, the hated Immigrant Union leader popularized in the 70's for nearly destroying the California Grape harvest on more than one occasion. To this day he is still hated by California farmers and rancher in the San Juaquin Valley. Most of my friends had never heard of them and had little idea that facilities had ever existed for the sole purpose of removing infectious people from the greater community for the protection of the masses while providing proper treatment.
This would have been the logical way of dealing with the AIDS crisis back when it was just that, a crisis. By 1992 the genie was out of the bottle so to speak. So why was it alright to isolate those with TB? Why was it acceptable to isolate those with measles, mumps and other infectious diseases? The process started before we knew exactly how the illnesses were spread. The difference was both the times in which they happened and the population to which they happened to.
Mumps, measles, chicken pox and others are primarily childhood diseases. They have been dealt with in this fashion for hundreds of years. I remember hearing children with chicken pox being magnets for parents who's children had not yet been infected by the illness yet. I took my kids to play with my sisters kids when they got it. But chicken pox rarely leads to death , and it passes fairly quickly with little more than a scar or two. Although there are those rare cases where it returns years later as a form of shingles, but still, rarely fatal. Same with the others. TB on the other hand did kill millions worldwide and still does today, just as AIDS is doing.
So what other factor caused the logic to fly out the window? It was who it first infected, Gays. We in America have a problem with being honest with each other when it comes to Homosexuals. "Not that there's anything wrong with it" became a 90's mantra as a tongue in cheek way of saying that you were OK with the idea that some people did things differently in the privacy of their bedroom. In reality there is something wrong with it in the minds of millions. But Political Correctness forbid someone force the poor beaten down Homosexuals who have a deadly disease be forced to place the public best interest ahead of their battle for equality.
This is the battle fought weakly by most during the 80's. If the Homosexual community would have demanded that infected people be placed in specialized hospitals that would both treat and isolate the infected from the general homosexual and heterosexual communities, AIDS in America might have been kept in check and affected only a small population of those already infected. But because of the growing political correctness of the time America today is infected at a rate equal to that of most of the rest of the modern world. I heard recently that Washington DC is infected at a rate equal to Africa's.
But we were the country that at one time had virtually eradicated TB from its shores. We could have done the same with AIDS. Was Mike Huckabee really that bad of a person for suggesting in retrospect that America had missed an opportunity to save the lives of thousands? I think not.
But what would I know; I'm just an Average American.
Huckabee and the logic of the past...
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Posted By: Average American Posted on: Dec. 11, 2007 at 7:39 PM |
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Dec. 11, 2007 at 09:32:03 PM
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| Geez AA. Are you that ignorant? Still today in 2007? |
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Dec. 11, 2007 at 09:52:26 PM
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| The reason TB used to get you quarantined was that TB is highly infectious. A carrier coughs in a room, and everyone else in the room has TB. AIDS is not highly infectious. AIDS requires sexual contact or blood to blood contact. Therefore, isolating and or quarantining people does little good, because if people know they have it, and are informed they are highly unlikely to infect others. Plus, the lag time between infection and becoming symptomatic with AIDS could be a decade or longer; Someone who in the mid 80's got a blood transfusion could have been infecting sex partners for 10 years before they found out they had AIDS. So then Republotards like Huckabee the Pro Rapist, would place them under quarantine. But do nothing for them or their partners for the decade prior to showing symptoms, like mandatory public health checks for all US citizens. |
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Dec. 11, 2007 at 10:05:26 PM
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| So Phaedrus, you agree that the time to have done something like this would have been in the 80's which is both my and Huckabee's point. Indie, Ignorant about what? In the beginning we did not know how it was spread. Do you deny that if isolation would have happened early on that the epidemic would not have been so large? |
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Dec. 11, 2007 at 10:39:43 PM
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| AA. So if "we didn't know how it was spread" then who would we have "isolated?" It was obvious from the beginning that it was a disease that was affecting gay men primarily. The reason was unclear, but it WAS clear that it was not affecting the population at large in an indiscriminate manner, like small pox or the plague. So, you and Huckleberry would have "isolated" all gay men. Yeah, I can believe that. Let's see. You hate poor people, black and brown people, Muslims and liberals. See AA. I think you are just writing articles to get a rise out of people. You got nothing else. You know that the man you have supported for years is a complete failure. You are wandering in the wilderness looking for the next hate (even if you have go back 20 years to get it). Why? Because your supposed conservatives have abandoned everything you stand for. Fiscal responsibility, government out of our lives, etc. You got nothing and your Republican candidates got nothin'. I almost feel sorry for ya. |
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Dec. 11, 2007 at 10:52:06 PM
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Huckabee and Romney are both spooky as HELL! I don't want to live in an actual theocracy (as apposed to this temporary one). Let's let them claw each others political eyes out now in the classic American Christian/Mormon way. . . . . . . And I think anyone named MITT (or Biff) or Huckabee ( or huckleberry) should be rounded up and isolated |
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Dec. 11, 2007 at 11:03:02 PM
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| No, I don't agree that we should have ever quarantined AIDS patients. I do agree with you that we should have instituted a National Health Care single payer system back in the 80's, as that being the most Christian way of helping the sick and the poor.
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Dec. 11, 2007 at 11:55:54 PM
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| Yes AA, this is one of your more ignorant articles. Not stupid, but ignorant, as in you really shouldn't formulate opinions about things you know nothing about. Even Huckabee wouldn't advocate a quarantine of AIDS or HIV+ patients today. The answers are right there in Phaedrus's and Indie's comments. HIV is only passed by direct blood-blood contact. Primarily that means IV drug use sharing needles, male-male sex resulting in anal mucosa tears, male-female sex with open genital sores, and transfusions. Except emergency blood transfusions, these things you can protect yourself against by not sharing needles, using some discretion about who you have sex with, and using protection if your "discretion" fails you. And now we have extremely sensitive over-the-counter PCR tests to detect HIV in its very early stages, to identify infected individuals for treatment rather than isolation. Donated blood is also effectively screened. HIV is not communicable through the air; in fact, HIV will die within seconds if left on a "doorknob." On the other hand, TB was and is a scourge that may infect you by merely being in the same room with an infected person, so it makes sense to practice isolation. There is no practical reason to isolate HIV patients. Fortunately we did not do that even in the scary early days when we were relatively ignorant about the disease, because at least we had the good sense to realize that the contagion required more exposure than simple contact to result in transmission. But let's say in the early years we reacted in a typical knee-jerk Huckabee religio-conservative way about HIV and decided to isolate the communities where HIV could spread. Who would that be. Well, first we'd have to round up all the drug users, crack hoes, and fags. No problem, you say. Who needs that dirt anyway . . . they brought God's wraith down upon themselves. Uh oh, sometimes drug users and prostitutes and homosexuals sleep with clean cut heterosexuals, kind of like Larry Craig sleeps with his wife. Maybe we were a bit promiscuous during our younger, single years. Maybe, like Guilliani, we were sleeping around during one of our three marriages. You know what they say: You're not just sleeping with your partner, but with every one your partner has slept with too. Now, as Phaedrus pointed out, HIV could lie dormant for ten years before becoming clinically active. How many people have you indirectly slept with in the last ten years AA? Chances are, we might have to quarantine you too. Don't worry though. We can give you one test now to make sure you don't have detectable HIV, and then we can give you another test in six months to make sure you didn't have latent HIV. Oh, and please refrain from having sex during the six month interval, or we'll have to start over again with the testing again. And if we don't test every man and woman on the planet all at the same time, we'll have to do the testing from scratch each and every time you have sex, because do we really know where your partner has been? We just have her word on it (and vice versa). That's simply not good enough when we're talking about public health. Maybe now you know why isolating HIV patients is such an idiotic idea, then and now. On the scale of risk, I have much more chance of dying being exposed to your second hand cigarette smoke than I do contracting HIV. Difference is, I don't wish to quarantine smokers (BTW, asking you to smoke outside a restaurant is not the same as shipping you off to a smoker's concentration camp, so don't even start). |
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Dec. 12, 2007 at 01:12:32 AM
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| huckabee scmuckabee,hillarybee,obamabee are all OUTLESS.Peewee herman has as good achance as these fools!!!
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Dec. 12, 2007 at 07:10:54 AM
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STRONGLY disagree with your take on this article, Mick - it'S BOTH!Ignorance is a basic lack of education and/or knowledge; stupid is what you do with it. I'm with Indie! |
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