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"The Democratic Party is split", we keep hearing. A split suggests two halves of the same whole. The Democratic Party is not split, its FRACTURED. Fracture go every which way.
I'll explain.
Fracture 1. Obama/Clinton- Supporters of both are at odds over who should stay, who should concede and which one is the better Democrat for the country.
Fracture 2. Female/Male- We keep hearing about how Obama supporters are traitor to the skirt. Finally a woman with a chance and you want the black MAN to win. Shirt traitor.
Fracture 3. Black/White- Do I need to explain? Thank Re. Wright for this fracture.
Fracture 4. Old/Young- While Hillary has major support from those getting near retirement, Obama seems to have inspired the college vote.
Fracture 5. Rich/Middle Class/Poor- A three way fracture. The rich are falling all over themselves, shifting from day to day based on who looks like the winner in this thing. The poor follow Obama because change and especially HOPE are things that they want desperately to have and see. The Middle Class Dems. are falling in line more with the tried and true Hillary basing some of that on the Bill Clinton Presidency no doubt.
Fracture 6. Minority/Majority- While there was once a debate on which one of these candidates could carry the Hispanic vote, they have been all but forgotten. Many like McCain for his failed Amnesty Bill from last summer. Don't think for a minute this is even vaguely related to Fracture 3. It isn't. It is an entirely different animal.
Fracture 7. Barack/Hillary- This isn't the supporter fracture mentioned above, this is the personal fracture between the candidates themselves. Both are playing so much "gotcha" they are losing sight of the war and fixating on each others lies, mistakes and qualms and not McCain.
Look people, I was born and raised in California, I know a fault line when I see one. Some of these are not small or easily slipped. But when they do "slip" it has the potential of the Great San Andreas. And that can trigger other fault lines to slip.
Not sure if you Democrats are really paying attention, but your party has the potential to split, fracture and completely shatter into a million little pieces if this goes on much longer. Some of you have mentioned this "split", MIC, TOAD, Phaedrus and others. But I think you are looking at this from just the Obama/Clinton fracture and not at the much bigger issues you really have internally.
I'm just an observer on this one, but you are my friends and I think you should know.
But what would I know; I'm just an Average American.
Democratic Seismic Zone
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Posted By: Average American Posted on: Mar. 28, 2008 at 5:22 PM  21 Comments
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 05:48:24 PM
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| No Indie, we were "split". This is an entirely different event we are watching. McCain/Romney was a competition to the win and Huck had little to do with it. Romney knew the score early on when it was obvious that he had little chance to beat McCain and quickly moved to the sidelines to allow for the party to repair. Hillary on the other hand has no such sense of the greater purpose for the Democratic Party. That along with the constant touting of her imaginary experience, Obama's Rev. Wright, the Great Sniper Tuzla landing, the Obama 1.6 million dollar house deal with Rezzo or whatever his name was and so on is causing real decisive scaring on the Democratic Party. Just Fractures 1,3 and 7 are enough to cause the Dems to have to go back to the drawing board for the next 4 years. |
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 05:54:08 PM
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| I will be you, right here and right now, a democrat wins the White House. How about Ruth's Chris steak dinner? |
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 05:54:44 PM
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[This is a reply to comment by indie616 on Mar. 28, 2008 at 05:54:08 PM]
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 05:54:08 PM I will be you, right here and right now, a democrat wins the White House. How about Ruth's Chris steak... View this Comment Whoops.....I will BET you.......... |
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 06:41:38 PM
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| Indie, As Danny Cruz (and his latest radio alter ego John from Phoenix) has shown time and time again, your bets mean nothing without $25,000 placed in an escrow account to show you mean business. But if AA is in the betting mood, I'll make the same bet with him too. Come to think of it, I may be owing Dave Hunter dinner shortly. |
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 07:31:34 PM
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| To: Average American If there's anything Democrats have learned over the past 7+ years, it's they do not want another Republican behind the desk in the Whitehouse. So - no matter how fractured, shattered, broken, or blown to smithereens the Democrat party is right now, once there is a nominee, Democrats will pull together to back their candidate. The nonsense that is going on right now is simply a ploy to try to get Clinton to jump ship - and the push is in part due to fear that the Senator from New York just might be able to pull the rug out from the under Obama's feet. P. |
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 08:49:15 PM
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| Mmmmmm Ruth's Chris steak Mmmmmm |
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 09:10:47 PM
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| The question becomes, folks, do the Hillary supporters - the blue collar, older types, defect out to John McCain? Is McCain's Rx for America in line with these workers who've watched plants closing for 3 decades, and Mexican immigrants flooding our construction trades? Let's see, McBush is pro NAFTA, pro guest worker, pro Free trade, and is opposed to any thing that helps American workers.
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 10:06:16 PM
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| Oh Average, sometimes you try but just so seriously miss "it". In this case it is your assessment of the current state of the Democratic party. Maybe it's because when you listen to the right-wing talk show hosts, you take them seriously? Let's take Rush just for example, who is now daily touting his "Chaos" thing, claiming he is influencing people to reregister to vote for Hillary to skew the primaries as part of a campaign to scuttle Obama. And just to expand on his marketing genius, he now daily boasts he has Republican plants as Democratic delegates who will be getting their voting orders from him via special encrypted PDA's or some such silliness, and at the Democratic Convention his "plants" will emerge to create Chaos! Is he a super-agent wannabee or just pandering to his 15 year-old audience? I think "Chaos" is just a cover up to avoid talking about McCain, who is so pathetically weak as a topic he'd lose his audience. Unlike liberal talkers, Rush is just not entertaining when he has to discuss a topic he can't spend 50% of his time mocking! But getting to your theory, according to Rush and other winger talkers the Dems are in chaos (fractured in your terms) but if you know a thing about liberals you won't even waste your time on trying to sell that same-old winger homily; Democrats/liberals/ progressives are mercilessly free of the Republican herding instinct. As a matter of fact, it is precisely the nature Rush tries to convince his listeners is a liberal weakness-- our "emotional" ability to "feel"-- but it is in fact that very nature which ensures our whole selves engage issues-- heart AND mind-- and messily emotional as we may appear, thrashing our way through the primaries, you can bet your house and every Budweiser in it that on election day, 2008, every single Democrat will hold his or her nose to vote for whatever yellow dog is on the Democratic ticket, before they'll vote for McCain. |
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Mar. 28, 2008 at 10:57:34 PM
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| I think you over baked this analysis AA. I lived in CA for 14 years too, and I evacuated patients from a partially collapsed building after the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. I know the difference between a tremblor and a seismic rift too. You wish that the Democratic Party sustained a mortal compound fracture, but in the words of the Black Knight, "Tis just a flesh wound." Yes, the drawn out process of selecting our Democratic candidate is damaging. It certainly won't help the health of the final victor. But at the end of the day, we WILL reconcile, and we are running against an extremely weak and faulted candidate. Once he is back under scrutiny, we will see his liver spots with all the ferocious intensity of HDTV, and it won't be pretty. People that are now saying that if their Democrat doesn't win they will vote for McCain, will sing a different story when they are finally posed with their only choices. Look, right now the Gallup poll estimates approximately 20% of Democratic voters would vote for McCain if Clinton or Obama don't get the nomination. I find that hard to be true, and I am certain that at least half of these people will reconsider in the months prior to the election, especially if violence in Iraq escalates out of control once again. That would make roughly 10% of voters defect for the other side. But remember, people are showing up at the primaries voting for the Democrat over the Republican 3:1. Do the math. Losing 10% of 66% of the voters and giving them to the guy with 33% only leaves him with 40%. He still loses. I think Cynthia nailed it. You act like liberals never seen division before. s***, not only has the Democratic Party remained a party despite the division, but liberal of every stripe joined the party BECAUSE of the division. |
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Remember Rush, Hannity and others just a few weeks ago? They were railing against McCain.
Geez, even mAnn Coulter said she would vote for Hillary over McCain. Oh the REPBULICANS were FRACTURED!!!
Even the great Average American was frothing at the mouth, lamenting the fact that McCain was in the running. Now you are frothing at the mouth for a different reason...MC CAIN IS RUNNING!
The Dem's will rally around their nominee. Just like the Republicans have.
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