Moron IC and AA,
I caught part of the show Saturday AM, and tried to call in but I
missed out. And I needed to correct some of AA's lies, and half
truths, and ommisions;
And so you know, I only heard 10 minutes of the show.
1- The Proof ? of WMD in Iraq. What? Quick tell Hans Blix, George Dubya, and Karl Rove. If any
were found, Rove would be on every commercial crowing about it, with Bush sitting on his lap. According to the US military's own official report on WMD in Iraq that was completed and made public after the US forces had completely combed Iraq looking for any evidence of WMDs, none were found. No secret labs were found. And as far as precursor chemicals, the only things that were found were the same ones used in chemical fertilizers and other industrial uses. And they were found at industrial factories that make things like fertilizer, and
industrial chemicals (remember, Iraq's only 2 natural resources are petroleum and sand, and petroleum can be distilled into many useful but very toxic substances)
Also the Fox News BS, Saddam had 14 months to get the Wmd's outta Iraq BS? The WMD are
weapons. Saddam was facing the worlds 6'8'', 360 lb, undisputed heavyweight champ, and according to your logic and reason, Saddam decides to ship out the one weapon that could inflict any damage on our armed forces??? Please AA, explain why anyone, let alone a
bloodthirsty tyrant like Saddam Hussein would do that. Use small words, in English, why he would disarm himself to avoid proving to the UN Weapons inspectors that he was disarming and then not use those weapons after the war started against his enemies.
2- Congressman John Murtha - Pennsylvania's 12th Congressional ... he's not a Senator.
He's a Congressman, AA, from PA's 12th district. And his statements on Iraq, and the condition of the US armed forces comes from his 30 years of service, and his contacts in the military (and in case you haven't noticed, he's rigth and the President and Rumsnamarra are wrong). If Murtha's statements against Bush's lack of any plan of attack against the Iraqi Insurgency and Bush's unwillingness to draw some new plan up (beyond the present plan of
“having convoys drive around and getting American boys blown up”) disqualifies him to serve in as a elected publice official then try reading these, courtesy of DailyKos, and larbabe:
Republicans, Kosovo & Iraq, Then & Now
by larbabe [Subscribe]
Thu Mar 09, 2006 at 08:11:04 AM PDT
I find it astounding how key Republicans have done a dramatic
turn-around, from being anti-war doves when it pertained to Kosovo,
to pro-war hawks when it comes to Iraq. Let's set aside the
fact that the US participation in the Balkins was NATO sanctioned
and, unlike the war in Iraq, was not based upon lies and
deception by our leaders. Obviously, political expediency and war
profiteering have played a role in this drastic change of heart. Here
are some before's and after's from Bush and his GOP cronies:
President George W. Bush
Kosovo:
Wikiquote, 4/9/99
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for
the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 6/5/99
"I think it's also important for the president to
lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when
they will be withdrawn."
Iraq:
White House Documents, 6/24/05
"It doesn't make any sense to have a timetable. You
know, if you give a timetable, you're -- you're conceding too much to
the enemy.”
GOP House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL)
Kosovo:
Dallas Morning News,3/25/99
"Many may question the path that has taken us to
this point. I have my own questions about the long term strategy of
this campaign."
(Former) GOP House Majority Whip Tom Delay (R-TX)
Kosovo:
Congressional Record, 4/28/99
"Mr. Speaker, this is a very difficult speech for me
to give, because I normally, and I still do, support our military and
the fine work that they are doing. But I cannot support a failed
foreign policy. ... But before we get deeper embroiled into this
Balkan quagmire, I think that an assessment has to be made of the
Kosovo policy so far. President Clinton has never explained to the
American people why he was involving the U.S. military in a civil war
in a sovereign nation, other than to say it is for humanitarian
reasons, a new military/foreign policy precedent. ... Was it worth it
to stay in Vietnam to save face? What good has been accomplished so
far? Absolutely nothing
Fox News Sunday, 3/14/99
"First of all, it's using NATO for the first time to
attack a sovereign nation. ... It's also one more adventure in a
whole line of adventures of failed foreign policy."
Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)
Kosovo:
New York Times, 4/8/99
"We should not be in Kosovo, as we should not
have been in Bosnia. Our concern is we should be able to defend
America in the event something happens where our strategic interests
are at stake, such as in Iraq or in North Korea. And this is just
depleting and diluting our resources."
April 29, 1999
"I interviewed some of these refugees two days ago.
When I interviewed the refugees, I found some things to be
tremendously interesting. They all said the same thing: In fact, they
didn't have any problems until the bombing started."
CNN's LATE EDITION with Wolf Blitzer (4/18/99
"[W]e are robbing assets from the Pacific theater
and from the Persian Gulf, so if something should happen in Iraq or
happen in North Korea, we would really have a serious problem. And I
can assure you they know what's going on....I did everything I could
to keep us from starting the air strikes, and getting involved in
this thing to begin with. Now that we are in, we've got to get
out....we don't have any national security, strategic interests
there. And we need to get out....
Senator Trent Lott (R-Miss)
Kosovo:
"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the
beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic
area."
Scotsman, 5/4/99
"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our
troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those
decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with
everything the president decides to do."
"I think that, as Jesse Jackson would say, give
peace a chance here. There seems to be some momentum. There seems to
be an opportunity - we should seize this moment. As a matter of fact,
you know, I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning.
I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.”
Now, these are only from George Dubya, the House and Senate Republican Leadership, and the most important Senate Republicans on the Armed Services Committee. I'm sure AA will begin to call for them to resign or work to have them removed from office at the ballot box, right???
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| Well, someone had the guts to come in and give me a zero, so I'll ask the question again Also the Fox News BS, Saddam had 14 months to get the Wmd's outta Iraq BS? The WMD are weapons. Saddam was facing the worlds 6'8'', 360 lb, undisputed heavyweight champ, and according to your logic and reason, Saddam decides to ship out the one weapon that could inflict any damage on our armed forces??? Please AA, explain why anyone, let alone a bloodthirsty tyrant like Saddam Hussein would do that. Use small words, in English, why he would disarm himself to avoid proving to the UN Weapons inspectors that he was disarming and then not use those weapons after the war started against his enemies. Now, please answer the question AA. Did he disarm by shipping the weapons to Syria, to avoid the UN Weapons inspections to prove he was disarming. or Did he hide them, really well, and not use them for fear of them being found or Did he not have them since in 1991, as proved in the Duelfer Report?? I'm sure your answer will be forthcoming... |
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| Phaedrus, You are so right. If were WMDs were found the administration would be touting it at every level. And it would be an hourly "FOX NEWS ALERT." Case in point. Bush came out after the war has begun and stated flatly that WMD's had been found in Iraq. He was referring to 2 trailors. He said this even after experts had refuted it 2 days earlier in a report to the White House. The White House had to issue a retraction later, saying the the trailors Bush referred to were for generating materials for weather balloons. If they REALLY had evidence they would put it out there. |
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| It must be painful for AA and Republicans to see the quotes especially from GW. "President George W. Bush Kosovo: Wikiquote, 4/9/99 "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 6/5/99 "I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn." Iraq: White House Documents, 6/24/05 "It doesn't make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you're -- you're conceding too much to the enemy.” Are the above quotes all from GW? This is quite alarming, and I believe the President and others should be held accountable for all the lies and death they have perpetrated. With the GOP now again trying to divert attention from their obvious and deadly mishaps, their current agenda is to "ban gay marriage", just to regain the religious rights votes. What a shame. Also, I heard AA on the radio and could not believe that he believes there were WMD's. This morning Blix was on TV stating that the weapons were destroyed in 1991. When are we going to force the government to give us a true and accurate timeline of the events that have brought our nation on the brink of ruin today? Let's not allow the GOP to divert and dictate the issues of the upcoming election. The cronies and incompetent "yes" men need to go. |
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| Yes, Bella, all 3 comments are our Glorious Leader, the two syllable letter W, but the difference is, he was against the use of force in Kosovo because it was being done by competent leaders with a plan to achieve security, and in Iraq it was about secruing the oil contracts, and getting Halliburton their no bid contracts.
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| What if Saddam is smarter than you give him credit. Prior to the invasion Saddam's son's told the world if the U.S. invades them the streets would run with American Blood. With over 2000 American deaths and thousands of wounded, maybe they knew what the people there would do once Saddam was out of power. So what if they did remove all of the weapons knowing full well if they used them the world would unite behind Bush . Ultimately he would have been defeated, his mission was to ruin the Bush legacy and make him a fool. Saddam achieved victory over Bush by doing nothing. I believe he removed or destroyed the weapons. |
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| Well documented, Phaedrus. Well done. Why do we even listen to these Bush apologists any more? If any other leader had a track record like this, he would be brought up on charges. Where does disastrous incompetence end and treason begin? There will always be that two percent that doesn't get the word. They are out there still beating the drums for this colossal failure. |
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| From Mr. Know it All, re Saddam "So what if they did remove all of the weapons knowing full well if they used them the world would unite behind Bush." Uh, the world had united behind the USA. On 9-11-2001. They turned against us when Bush and Co were lying about WMD. "Ultimately he would have been defeated, his mission was to ruin the Bush legacy and make him a fool. Saddam achieved victory over Bush by doing nothing. I believe he removed or destroyed the weapons." Sure, he would have been defeated, but thats the point of having WMD. It makes the probable losses impossible for sane leaders to risk. Why didn''t the USA nuke the USSR? Mutual Assured Destruction! Why did the first Geneva Convention outlaw chemical weapons? WWI was horrific enough without Mustard Gas, but with it the Powers that be decided enough of that. And Saddam has not beaten the US, Bush and his Can't Shoot Straight Gang are stuck in a nasty occupation they didn't plan for and that is why 1700 Americans have died since Mission Accomplished. And if he destroyed the weapons, why not do it with the UN inspectors??? Mr Know it all, answer WHY... not I believe he did it, but why? And shipping them to Syria, where he can't use them, and they can found later, WHY??? Read the Duelfer Report; Iraq destroyed their WMD in 1991, and had no WMD programs in place since then. FACT, not opinion. Remember Occam's Razor, with all else being equal, the simplest explanation is the right one. I mean to play Devil Republican, Saddam could have: 1- put WMD on Titanic 2- hid WMD in Bush's water pipe 3- paid Jimmy Hoffa to stash them 4- asked Elvis to take them on Mother Ship 5- ask Pope to hide the WMD in Pope Mobile 6- Make car out of marijuanna and WMD and have Tommy Chong smuggle it into LA from Tijuanna OR, AS THE DUELFER REPORT STATES HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY! |
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| no need to be ANGRY Phaedrus you just don't get it! Even if he did't have the weapons he won, he knew Bush would come after him and there was no way to win. He bluffed Bush to come in then made a fool out of him. Don't believe all of the manipulated reports you read. Try reading between the lines. Love to play you a game of chess. You would have to pull out a book to make your 1st move. |
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| Know It All, If Saddam were that clever, he would not have settled for such a Pyrric victory. Laughing at the pie on Bush's face hardly makes the walk to the gallows any more pleasant. He would have very publicly guided the U.N. inspectors to the WMD stashes - any stashes, doesn't have to be all - and thus proved his cooperation. The guy tolerated sanctions and no fly zones (begrudgingly) and still managed to rule with an iron fist, so I think he would have suffered the indignity of giving in if it meant avoiding an invasion from the 300 lb gorilla. The very fact that he didn't toss the U.S. or the U.N. a WMD bone meant he had no bones to toss. I don't defend this tyrant, but it's not exactly a fair shake to go to war with someone because he refuses to give up the WMD caches that he doesn't have anymore. |
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