“Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy. Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.” Philip E. Agre
A hallmark of the aristocrat is to keep their privileged positions and pass the positions on to their children.
Conservatism, in order to maintain the aristocracy, tries to dismantle those programs or institutions which would allow the people to become less dependant on the aristocracy. Examples of this are social security and welfare “reform”. As Grover Norquist has said, the goal of conservatism is to shrink the government and drown it in the bathtub. An effective way that conservatives try to dismantle such programs is to denigrate those who are the beneficiaries of the programs, or to say they are a danger to the social order. (Example: Social Security is going to bankrupt the U.S). Conservatives would eliminate all government assistance programs, and would rely on charity and faith based programs to help the “underclass.” The underclass would depend on the largess of the wealthy for their survival and thus be beholden the rich and powerful for their very survival. (And you don’t bite the hand that feeds you.) On the other hand, conservatives work hard to maintain those institutions that preserve or increase their power.
Conservatives use the term freedom as their rallying cry. After all, the masses demand freedom. Conservatives, on the other hand, try to limit civil liberties at every turn. (Gay Marriage, Flag Burning amendment, spying on Americans, internet legislation etc). These limits allow the domination of conservatives.
Historically, it has been liberals who have fought for civil liberties such as racial equality, the voting rights act, and women’s rights to name three.
Conservatives decry “liberal activist judges.” What they are actually decrying is the fact that these judges are acting against the aristocracy.
Conservatism works by destroying the conscience. In WWII, German soldiers hoped that should they have to surrender it would be to American troops rather than the Russians. They knew that the Americans would not torture them. Now, some conservative adherents don’t think that torture should be banned and the Geneva conventions are “quaint.”
Conservatism seeks to limit free and open debate by demonizing those have different views. Right wing radio/TV commentators use name calling to denigrate those who might have a different view. They even go so far as to say that anyone who opposes their policy as those who “hate America.” They invoke God to make their point, (they are more ‘right’ because God in on their side) and therefore anyone who is against them is ‘liberal’ and Godless.
Conservatism twists the language. For example, John Kerry was explaining that the Iraqi occupation was causing the Iraqi people to fear and dislike Americans. He said that our soldiers had to enter homes, which terrorized the occupants. Sean Hannity has repeated over and over that John Kerry called American soldiers terrorists.
Agre says: Conservative remapping of the language of aristocracy and democracy has been incredibly thorough. Consider, for example, the terms "entitlement" and "dependency". The term "entitlement" originally referred to aristocrats. Aristocrats had titles, and they thought that they were thereby entitled to various things, particularly the deference of the common people. Everyone else, by contrast, was dependent on the aristocrats. This is conservatism. Yet in the 1990's, conservative rhetors decided that the people who actually claim entitlement are people on welfare. They furthermore created an empirically false association between welfare and dependency. But, as I have mentioned, welfare is precisely a way of eliminating dependency on the aristocracy and the cultural authorities that serve it. I do not recall anyone ever noting this inversion of meaning. “
Here is the link to a very thought provoking article by Agre. It is a lengthy piece, but well worth the time. http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html
Conservatism or Aristocracy?
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Posted By: indie616 Posted on: Jun. 17, 2006 at 1:23 PM |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 10:15:46 AM
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| The first thing about Conservatives- they always attack from where they are weak; They say John Kerry (or Jack Murtha, or Max Clelland) was a coward? He went, served admirably, recieved 5 medals. Bush and Cheney never got any closed to Vietnam than Montana, and both picked up numerous DUI's during the war, Cheney flunked out of school once, and during Bush's congressional bid in 76 he claimed that if the Texas Air Guard had gone to Nam, we may have won? How George, if you sobered up, you little p****? They say Liberals are elitists? Kerry looks French? Has anyone ever seen a photo of Dubya? Can you imagine a bigger east coast, prep school, cheerleader p****? Bush makes Nathan Lane look like John Wayne. And Remember, the last 2 Republican presidents were the benefactors of inherited wealth, 2 of the richest men in America, and Dubya has never been successful at any business venture without huge heapings of tax dollars (the Texas Rangers, clearly the worst MLB team from 1990 thru today, they've had more talent, spent more money and jack to show for it). And Cheney made his fortune by funneling government contracts to Haliburton ($10mil before he got there, over $100mil the fiscal year he left) thanks to his ties to the GOP, for whom he had served for 30 years. They claim Liberal Judges are destroying America? By letting Blacks vote? or stopping the KKK from lynching blacks? Or by letting adults use condoms, or have abortions? Or by ending segregation? No, the Republicans want judges who will transform America into their vision, one where the rich stay rich, and the rest can, in the words of Dick Cheney, "go F*c(" themselves. Whenever you hear a Republican attacking a Democrat, you know where they are weak. Average American thinks if the USA loses in Iraq, it'll be the fault of the liberal (fill in the blank). The truth is, we are losing and its all George Dubya Bush's fualt for piss poor planning, and gross incompetence. |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 10:23:19 AM
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| Wow, this is ass backwards, you just described liberalism dead on with this line,"in order to maintain the aristocracy, tries to dismantle those programs or institutions which would allow the people to become less dependant on the aristocracy" You opened it with Conservatism, but what you did was pinpoint the desire liberals have to keep as many people dependant on the government as possible. "Historically, it has been liberals who have fought for civil liberties such as racial equality", may I enlighten you to the fact that it it was the Republican Party that passed the landmark 60's racial equality acts, while the likes of Al Gore's father and Bird and other Southern Democrats fought to block it's passage. Go look it up, you might be surprised to know just how many Republicans voted for it (all of them) and how may Democrats. Other than that, this is your basic uneducated fodder. |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 11:23:15 AM
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| Conservatives hate government programs because they aid the "common" man. Many government programs provide aid which decreases the dependancy of the people on the aristocracy. For example, college aid programs for the poor could be seen as a threat to the aristocracy, because it allows poor people to become educated. Educated people tend to have more opportunities than the uneducated, which is a threat to the established old order. "You opened it with Conservatism, but what you did was pinpoint the desire liberals have to keep as many people dependant on the government as possible." Ah, AA. You have proved my point. Conservatives represent government programs that help the less fortunate as twisted and dangerous to the social order, and in particular dangerous for those who recieve the benefit. See, if the government (non aristocratic) helps the non artisocrats move up in society, by aiding them thru job training, college education etc, conservatives see this as a direct threat to their domination. |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 11:29:29 AM
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| Bravo indi616. Thanks for the great link. The NeoCoNazis really have inverted the meaning of the language to serve their own evil purposes. Good transformation of conservative to self serving aristocRat. Here's a high 5 times two for you. Double A, I think you are a NotSee. You simply will Not See the truth, no matter what. I'm afraid there is no redemption for you. But hang in there tough my friend - you still serve a purpose as a whetstone for the many rational contributors here at VofA, such as indie, to sharpen their arguments on. |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 11:57:01 AM
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| May I remind you AA, that it was the racist Southern Democrats that attempted to block Civil Rights legislation on all fronts. When Johnson in 1965 was warned that he would lose the South for the Democratic Party if he passed the Voting Rights Act, he said "so be it." Senator Robert BYRD was once one of these DIxiecrats, but he completely renounced his former political leanings long ago, as is reflected in his votes. People change. Why once, I think George W. Bush was an alcoholic and coke snorter. So where did all those southern bigots go to after their alienation from the Democratic Party in the 60's? Oh, that's right, they found a welcome home with the GOP, beginning with Reagan. This dovetails nicely with the theme of my latest article, with the premise that since Reagan the GOP has undergone a slow but radical transformation from their "traditional" value set to values of institutionalized bigotry towards all perceived inferiors. The change correlates nicely in time with the rise of the Southern Baptists and other religious fundamentalists, and the emergence of bright young manipulative secular Neocons wishing to harness the voting block potential of the new evangelical Christian Right. You really should read my aricle again. Better yet, read a history book not authored by Ann Coulter or prefaced by Rush Limbaugh. When Indie talks about liberals and consevatives historically, notice that she did not say Democrats and Republicans. She is aware, unlike you, that political alliances change, and that the parties of today are very different from the parties 40 years ago, or for that matter, what they were when Lincoln was a Republican. The GOP should just get rid of their slogan "Party of Lincoln" right now, because Lincoln was no Neocon, and that's what the vast majority of Republicans are today. |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 12:28:29 PM
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| Thank you MIC. I was in the process of writing a comment to refute AA's civil liberties comment, when I saw your post. You said it better than could have. To post mine would have been repetitive, and besides you said much more eloquently than I would have. Also, thank you for pointing out that I have been very careful not to use Republican/Democrat in my article or comments. |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 02:28:47 PM
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| Ronald Reagan was a FDR democrat. His father obtained work thru FDR's New Deal programs and this had an impact on Reagan. He later changed his affilation in 1962. In 1988, Congress overrode his veto of the Civil Rights restoration act which expanded the reach of non-discrimination laws within private institutions receiving federal funds. Fast forward to 1991. After two years of debates, vetoes, and threatened vetoes, President Bush the first reverses himself and signs the Civil Rights Act of 1991, strengthening existing civil rights laws and providing for damages in cases of intentional employment discrimination. Just a little history. |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 02:32:01 PM
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| SatanAAst, oh great deciever, here are the vote totals--- Vote statistics Vote totals * The Original House Version: 290-130 * The Senate Version: 73-27 * The Senate Version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 By Party The Original House Version: * Democratic Party: 153-96 * Republican Party: 138-34 The Senate Version: * Democratic Party: 46-22 * Republican Party: 27-6 The Senate Version, voted on by the House: * Democratic Party: 153-91 * Republican Party: 136-35 Switches in position: "Yea" to "Nay": Earl Wilson (R-IN), Bob Wilson (R-CA), and Charlotte T. Reid (R-IL) "Nay" to "Yea": John Jacob Rhodes (R-AZ), J. Edward Hutchinson (R-MI), and Charles Weltner (D-GA). By Party and Region The Original House Version: * Southern Democrats: 7-87 * Southern Republicans: 0-10 * Northern Democrats: 145-9 * Northern Republicans: 138-24 The Senate Version: * Southern Democrats: 1-21 * Southern Republicans: 0-1 * Northern Democrats: 46-1 * Northern Republicans: 27-5 So of Southern Republicans- 0 of 11 voted for the bill So.Dems 8 for, 108 against. Only 10 northern Dems against, and 6 Northern Reps did too. Senator Strom Thurmond switched parties and became a Republican as a result of his support for the Barry Goldwater campaign in 1964. Former Democrat Jesse Helms also switched his party registration to Republican in 1970 and won a Senate seat in North Carolina in 1972. Phil Gramm of Texas, at the time a member of the House of Representatives, switched his party registration from Democrat to Republican in 1983. Several other Southern senators, such as Richard Russell, Jr. of Georgia and James Eastland and John Stennis of Mississippi remained in the Democratic Party and went on to become prominent senators who served multiple terms in the service of their respective states. These long careers in the Senate elevated their seniority and put them in positions of power and prestige. So the Democrats could only get 47 votes on their own, they needed 3 Republicans, and with a Dem VP to break the tie. At the time President Johnson said that does it for the Democrats in the South. And after the defection of Helms, Thurmond and the rest of the racists, well the South has been solidly Republican and racists since! |
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Jun. 18, 2006 at 03:18:16 PM
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| Damn that Google and it's malicious facts!!!
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