First of all, anything that is "comprehensive" about a complicated issue like the immigration debate will not please everyone.  Some, if they actually read the bill instead of relying on Fox News (or other pundits, politicians, or people with personal issues really not related to immigration) to tell them what is in it might find something in it that they will like, and probably something in it they will not.

I would urge all people who truely want to debate this to read the bill themselves.  Please try (I know it is hard) to get the rhetoric and propaganda out of your head, simply because that is a way to distract you from dealing with the issue itself.  Think of how this issue will impact you, your family, your finance and your community.  Perhaps then, without trying to vilify anyone, we can debate the issue on its merits, rather than what others put into  your head.  We all have personal bias, and this issue touches very emotional posistions.  Some, if not most of these posistions, if you really give it a thought, are not our own, but those we have adopted from what we have heard. 

Remember, that making irrational, emotional decisions, drumed up by the politicans, the media, religion, and mostly fear lead us to invade and now occupy a nation that was no threat to us.  Our fear (in my opinion) diverted us from seeking facts, thinking rationally, asking the right questions about the threat, and now for us because of an irrational decision, have made the problem much worse.  Please let us not repeat the same mistake so soon after the last.

Let us deal with and try to solve the problem, not ease our emotions (fears) by the debate.  As you can see, out of all the talk, blame, and vilification, the problem is still here.  That should tell  you that everything we have done to this point did not solve the problem.  Time to change.

Anyone up to debating the issue without emotion?

Zanubiyah...Mrs. Spock

Hey Postman, would it have been better if I had said about twenty-five years ago. I heard that Bagdad is missing their village and I sent in your application. Don't forget to duck when there is a loud boom.

Do you ever serve because you sound like Dickie and you probaly smell like him too.

God Bless you any way.

Oh no, I left out a word and he won't be able to figure it out. The word was idiot;did you know that or is it clearer now. I hope so.

So...AA, you have simply confirmed why this problem (and so many others) have not been solved.  Firstly, you don't read, study, and investigate on your own.  You depend on others to tell you what the bill says, and what to think about it.  Whoever spews the propaganda that appeals to you is who you listen to, repeat, and vote for.

Secondly, I may agree with you that "emotion" may be a beginning of a debate to a problem, but then my agreement with you ends.  Emotion may "get the brain thinking", but it should also get you to investigate, ask questions, and weigh the benefits and downside to your best interests.  However, you are claiming that Americans use only emotion to make decisions.   Emotion is biased and irrational, and usually is the essence of hasty decisions that when the calm comes, you regret.

However, you fail to debate the merits of the bill.  You use distractions.  We are not talking about cars or smoking.  We need to talk about immigration in the context of solving a festering problem.  When are we going to address the problem, and not use the rhetoric of politicans, pundits, and those who use the issue to hide their internal problems with their fellows.  We already know that what we have beend doing does not work. 

Illegal immigration is not the root cause of the problem but a symptom of the lack of enforcement of the laws regarding the hiring of illegal workers...something neither Democrats, nor Republicans are willing to honestly do.  It is just like saying that women's clinics are the cause of unwanted pregnancy.   You and I know this.  When I hear politicans address this issue, and propose legislation that does not give employers "plausable deniability", I will begin to see a rational effort to solve the problem.

We know what the solutions are, but sometimes our bias and "partisan loyalties" divert us from our best interests.  Let us hold their feet to the fire and not escape with wet noodle legislation that simply gives a government saction and an official card to the problem.

Mrs. Spock  Zanubiyah